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<blockquote data-quote="Abstraction" data-source="post: 1972272" data-attributes="member: 25995">The funny thing about this thread is that it is suppposed to be about how 4E can be elegant and streamlined. How do you know what changes are more elegant and streamlined? To me, the question to ask is, would such-and-so change make the game easier or harder for casual or first-time players? Most of the changes you guys want would raise that bar significantly. Realize that 3E is the first roleplaying game since cowboys &amp; indians that people can play without knowing the rules. I think we need to keep it that way.Some changes that I would actually like to see?Ditch Quicken Spell for iterative spellcasting. You may cast spells iteratively at&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; highest/highest -3/highest -6/highest -9 so a 20th level wizard could cast in 1 round a ninth, sixth, third and zero level spell. If that seems too powerful, it could go in -4 steps, for a ninth, fifth and first.Make metamagic more generally useful. Not sure how, just do it.Fix the multiclass gap between casters and noncasters. The multiclassed fighters BAB goes up no matter what. Casters need some way that their casting level or something goes up, even if they multiclass. Again, I don't know what the fix is, just do it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abstraction, post: 1972272, member: 25995"] The funny thing about this thread is that it is suppposed to be about how 4E can be elegant and streamlined. How do you know what changes are more elegant and streamlined? To me, the question to ask is, would such-and-so change make the game easier or harder for casual or first-time players? Most of the changes you guys want would raise that bar [b]significantly[/b]. Realize that 3E is the first roleplaying game since cowboys & indians that people can play without knowing the rules. I think we need to keep it that way. Some changes that I would actually like to see? Ditch Quicken Spell for iterative spellcasting. You may cast spells iteratively at highest/highest -3/highest -6/highest -9 so a 20th level wizard could cast in 1 round a ninth, sixth, third and zero level spell. If that seems too powerful, it could go in -4 steps, for a ninth, fifth and first. Make metamagic more generally useful. Not sure how, just do it. Fix the multiclass gap between casters and noncasters. The multiclassed fighters BAB goes up no matter what. Casters need some way that their casting level or something goes up, even if they multiclass. Again, I don't know what the fix is, just do it. [/QUOTE]

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