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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9447463" data-attributes="member: 7635">I think the problem is that people are using 5e like a Common noun (like a kleenex or a jello or to google something) rather than referencing a proper noun. 5e stands for what? Fifth edition. Fifth edition of what? There are no other editions of Level Up or Tales of the Valiant. 5e stands for fifth edition Dungeons and Dragons. But since the OGL debacle, people have tried to push this narrative that 5e is more than D&D and thus can survive without it. Much like how you can google something on Bing or Duck Duck Go. And in some senses they're right. You can play Tales of the Valiant and never touch a WotC book and it plays just fine. But the issue comes when someone playing TotV says they are playing "5e" or even "D&D" since those terms tend to point back to the Fifth edition of Dungeons and Dragons and create confusion, much like if I told you to google something and you brought me Bing results instead of Google search ones. Some of this is done due to common parlance (to play D&D, regardless of what RPG you are actually playing, is a depressingly common language tick) and some is done with motive (a desire to separate the community from WotC and it's D&D by co-opting the term for other games). But it leads to this problem where people are talking past each other by using the same words with different meaning.</blockquote>