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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 4127662" data-attributes="member: 7883">I would contest that WotC glutted the market just as 3rd party companies did.  Maybe not as much, because they were one company vs. dozens of 3rd party companies.....Yes, they had good products....but they also had crap.  There were *alot* of 3rd party companies out there, so yes, there was garbage....but also good stuff......companies like Green Ronin, Malhavoc Press, Sword and Sorcery, etc. all produced excellent books.  Some that weren't as good, but a lot of good product.  I'd say that some of the stuff they produced was *better* than that produced by WotC.I guess in terms of my own experiences, in my group, the single thing that caused them to stop being consumers was the release of 3.5.  All of my players were pissed at the release of basically a new edition so soon after the release of 3.0, and for many of them, they vowed never to purchase another WotC release....and held true to that position.  For most of the 3.5 lifespan, I was the only person buying books anymore out of my entire group.That doesn't necessarily go for every group, but I'm sure we weren't the only ones with similar experiences.  I've read enough on the board about people being pissed about 3.5.Banshee</blockquote>