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<blockquote data-quote="Epametheus" data-source="post: 1388791" data-attributes="member: 719"><p>The MC1 for Planescape set down a general route of promotions for the Baatezu.</p><p></p><p>Nupperibu -> Lemure -> Spinagon -> Abishai -> Barbazu -> Osyluth -> Hamatula -> Amnizu -> Cornugon -> Gelugon -> Pit Fiend.</p><p></p><p>Erinyes were kinda weird, since there was a finite number, they were promoted from lesser forms of baatezu when needed, and usually never chose to be promoted past their current form -- an erinyes is relatively autonomous and can freely travel to the Prime whenever the heck she wants. Most of them aren't willing to give that up in order to return to the regular grind of Baator.</p><p></p><p>A gelugon must have served "777 years of flawless service" before it's even considered for transformation into a pit fiend. So the full transition from lemure to pit fiend might take 3000 years or so. In this light, Pit Fiends should be totally bad-ass and nearly infallible</p><p></p><p>Cornugons are actually stronger than Gelugons now in 3.5, so I'm sure the chain has been scrambled a bit.</p><p></p><p>Factoring the now-existent advancement rules for monsters into this is interesting -- perhaps a creature must complete its HD advancement, and then voluntarily accept a temporary hit in power when it is transformed into the next creature up on the chain.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Epametheus, post: 1388791, member: 719"] The MC1 for Planescape set down a general route of promotions for the Baatezu. Nupperibu -> Lemure -> Spinagon -> Abishai -> Barbazu -> Osyluth -> Hamatula -> Amnizu -> Cornugon -> Gelugon -> Pit Fiend. Erinyes were kinda weird, since there was a finite number, they were promoted from lesser forms of baatezu when needed, and usually never chose to be promoted past their current form -- an erinyes is relatively autonomous and can freely travel to the Prime whenever the heck she wants. Most of them aren't willing to give that up in order to return to the regular grind of Baator. A gelugon must have served "777 years of flawless service" before it's even considered for transformation into a pit fiend. So the full transition from lemure to pit fiend might take 3000 years or so. In this light, Pit Fiends should be totally bad-ass and nearly infallible Cornugons are actually stronger than Gelugons now in 3.5, so I'm sure the chain has been scrambled a bit. Factoring the now-existent advancement rules for monsters into this is interesting -- perhaps a creature must complete its HD advancement, and then voluntarily accept a temporary hit in power when it is transformed into the next creature up on the chain. [/QUOTE]
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