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<blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 5492390" data-attributes="member: 62560">I'll yield the point, as any difference would probably be less than a centimeter, and this is an issue of inches.If Joe is leaping from the ball of his foot, his toes can be over the line.&nbsp; That gives him inches, depending on how long his toes are.If Mike Powell fell backwards, his distance was measured to where his backside or hand landed, depending on which was further back.&nbsp; It seems unlikely this is the case(as it would be very rough on his score), and if it is, then his feet are well ahead.As for falling forward, upon doing so Joe can roll up to his feet.&nbsp; Mike Powell wouldn't have any reason to do this, but Joe would.That is very gracious.I suspect that the World Record holder has much greater consistency.&nbsp;&nbsp; His jumps are probably reliably within the 25-30 foot range, while a jump by Joe could land him anywhere from 10-30 feet from his launch point.As for resting, Joe is likely to want a rest after he fails any of his attempts(and takes the resulting damage).&nbsp; Don't forget, he is still failing them some 80% of the time.They are less reliable than Olympic athletes, but capable of a wider range of feats.&nbsp; That's just different, not straight better.Actually, Joe is terribly unusual.&nbsp; A 20 is expensive, especially for a human, who only gets to boost one ability score.&nbsp; And while training in Athletics is likely for a fighter, it's not certain.But most significantly, who takes Skill Focus(Athletics) as a level one feat?&nbsp; This idea relies heavily on that selection, and in the PHB1 alone there are some 9 other feats that are at least as appealing for which Joe must qualify, in addition to any others his ability scores may qualify him for.&nbsp; That choice alone makes Joe very unusual, and with the other two factors being reasonable but not certain, there's no way this combination is anything but terribly unusual.As bganon points out, this is typical for the great heroes of the age.&nbsp; The PCs are among the best of the best by design.&nbsp;&nbsp; You do what you must, as do we all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="theNater, post: 5492390, member: 62560"] I'll yield the point, as any difference would probably be less than a centimeter, and this is an issue of inches. If Joe is leaping from the ball of his foot, his toes can be over the line. That gives him inches, depending on how long his toes are. If Mike Powell fell backwards, his distance was measured to where his backside or hand landed, depending on which was further back. It seems unlikely this is the case(as it would be very rough on his score), and if it is, then his feet are well ahead. As for falling forward, upon doing so Joe can roll up to his feet. Mike Powell wouldn't have any reason to do this, but Joe would. That is very gracious. I suspect that the World Record holder has much greater consistency. His jumps are probably reliably within the 25-30 foot range, while a jump by Joe could land him anywhere from 10-30 feet from his launch point. As for resting, Joe is likely to want a rest after he fails any of his attempts(and takes the resulting damage). Don't forget, he is still failing them some 80% of the time. They are less reliable than Olympic athletes, but capable of a wider range of feats. That's just different, not straight better. Actually, Joe [i]is[/i] terribly unusual. A 20 is expensive, especially for a human, who only gets to boost one ability score. And while training in Athletics is likely for a fighter, it's not certain. But most significantly, who takes Skill Focus(Athletics) as a level one feat? This idea relies heavily on that selection, and in the PHB1 alone there are some 9 other feats that are at least as appealing for which Joe [i]must[/i] qualify, in addition to any others his ability scores may qualify him for. That choice alone makes Joe very unusual, and with the other two factors being reasonable but not certain, there's no way this combination is anything but terribly unusual. As bganon points out, this is typical for the great heroes of the age. The PCs are among the best of the best by design. You do what you must, as do we all. [/QUOTE]

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