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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5494258" data-attributes="member: 42582">I think the 4e rulebooks would have been stronger if they'd worked harder to dispel that generally accepted idea - or to make it clearer where it did or didn't apply. For example: fictional location within a scene matters in combat but often not in skill challenges; details of how something is done (eg I hit high or low) typically doesn't matter in combat but frequently may matter in a skill challenge.Nice point.As others have said these are both completely feasible in 4e.I haven't noticed this problem in my game - when I have pits and chasms and the like I get some zig-zagging around them but also plenty of jumping.The fighter in my game who has this power is a polearm fighter. He also has Footwork Lure, and a bunch of feats and items to enhance forced movement. So most of the time when he uses Come and Get It it is just another example of his exercise of battlefield control.For this one, I tend to assume that the recovering PC is responding to some earlier experience with the warlord (a bit like Aragorn's dream sequence with Arwen in the Two Towers movie). That is, the player of the warlord spends the power now in order to introduce a retcon into the story. (So a metagame mechanic, but not one that has to be divorced from the fiction.)I've never had the jump or the push come up yet, so can't comment on how I might handle them. For the other two, see above. I don't think either is particularly gonzo by D&amp;D standards.Well, then I'd object, because it wouldn't work for the polearm fighter in my game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5494258, member: 42582"] I think the 4e rulebooks would have been stronger if they'd worked harder to dispel that generally accepted idea - or to make it clearer where it did or didn't apply. For example: fictional location within a scene matters in combat but often not in skill challenges; details of how something is done (eg I hit high or low) typically doesn't matter in combat but frequently may matter in a skill challenge. Nice point. As others have said these are both completely feasible in 4e. I haven't noticed this problem in my game - when I have pits and chasms and the like I get some zig-zagging around them but also plenty of jumping. The fighter in my game who has this power is a polearm fighter. He also has Footwork Lure, and a bunch of feats and items to enhance forced movement. So most of the time when he uses Come and Get It it is just another example of his exercise of battlefield control. For this one, I tend to assume that the recovering PC is responding to some earlier experience with the warlord (a bit like Aragorn's dream sequence with Arwen in the Two Towers movie). That is, the player of the warlord spends the power now in order to introduce a retcon into the story. (So a metagame mechanic, but not one that has to be divorced from the fiction.) I've never had the jump or the push come up yet, so can't comment on how I might handle them. For the other two, see above. I don't think either is particularly gonzo by D&D standards. Well, then [I]I'd[/I] object, because it wouldn't work for the polearm fighter in my game. [/QUOTE]

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