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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 751507" data-attributes="member: 3854">It seems some are taking my above post as a swipe or comparison at the older editions. It is not at all. Please do not read this as a flame/troll.I started with Basic/Expert D&D. I moved to AD&D after a year or two. I have nothing but good memories and feelings for the older games.My wonderings above are truly just that -- honest wonderings.How is that we players didn't get frustrated and fed up when character after character after character were killed in the first battle by goblins and orcs. I remember playing two dozen characters in my first year, all never made it to 2nd level.And even had I made it to 2nd level, I'd still only have about 7 hit points. Or just 2 first-level spells. Or a 30% chance to detect traps.Imagine a computer game that didn't have a save function; that took 100 hours of play, and two dozen character attempst, to make 2nd level; etc. It couldn't become a great hit as D&D did.Quasqueton</blockquote>