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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7565133" data-attributes="member: 4348">I don't know...those who prefer 3e or 3.5 could be called the 3xers...Or ThreeXers.4e...Hmmm....The WOWS...just joking...maybe the fourthers/4thers?Grogs can play the later editions I'd say...they just prefer or would prefer to be playing the OLDER edition if possible or able to.It's like with wargaming...I never stopped wargaming per se...(and still have quite a few around today...I have too much junk around my house...probably a nerd's dream with all the various books, rpg's, board games, and other things I have around), but I ALSO played RPGs.Even that New fangled wargame thing RPG called D&D.My opinion is that grognard for gaming is similar to what Napoleon's grogs were.  They were the old elites who pined away about the old days.In a similar fashion, a Grognard is anyone who played extensively (so not those one and done's or every so oftens) pre-2000 TSR AD&D and D&D (OD&D, B/X, BECMI, or RC) and pine about the good old days.  They LOVE AD&D still and will defend it to the bone.On the otherhand, those that put 3e or other versions as better or preferred and above AD&D join the ranks with the new players post TSR era.  The new groups that prefer what are now older than the current version (3.x or 4e rather than 5e) can have their own conotations (3xers or fourthers) but just like the new guard of Napoleon had to wait till the Grognards got cut down and went away, they have to wait till us old Grogs die off before claiming the title from our rulebooks and dice held in our cold dead hands in our coffins.Like me, since I was a wargamer but also was a D&D player I couldn't be grognard till 20 years had passed (and even then till after 3e had come out...and then it was STILL questionable).  I love Dragonlance...and play 5e so my grognardness may still be called in question.  However, I'll still elect to play AD&D above all if given the shot...though normally it seems players these days that I find to play RPGs prefer systems that are the more modern RPGs (3.x, 4e, PF, 5e).  Will play 5e before 3e or 4e these days...so that may kill my grognard card still.</blockquote>

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