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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7568300" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is a bit simplified - the history of the relationship between landowning, the church and monarchical power in Catholic Europe is fairly complicated.And I don't think it's what Gygax had in mind when he wrote (in his PHB, p 20), that the cleric class &quot;bears a certain resemblance to religious orders of knighthood of medieval times.&quot; And provided for clerics to seize land and rule it personally in just the same manner as a fighter does.A paladin also may &quot;construct [and] maintain a small castle&quot; (PHB, p 24) - which differentiates paladins from the religious orders of knighthood, whose castles were built and owned by the order, not by an individual knight.And on a slight (only slight) tangent, the Templar rule was authored by St Bernard of Clairvaux, who was a prominent holy man but not a warrior. You can't emulate St Bernard with either a cleric or paladin build, unless - in either case - you just ignore the fact that you're a seriously puissant melee warrior. Which reflects both my point, and also reflects [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION]'s complaint about the lack of a non-warrior miracle worker in the classic D&amp;D set-up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7568300, member: 42582"] This is a bit simplified - the history of the relationship between landowning, the church and monarchical power in Catholic Europe is fairly complicated. And I don't think it's what Gygax had in mind when he wrote (in his PHB, p 20), that the cleric class "bears a certain resemblance to religious orders of knighthood of medieval times." And provided for clerics to seize land and rule it personally in just the same manner as a fighter does. A paladin also may "construct [and] maintain a small castle" (PHB, p 24) - which differentiates paladins from the religious orders of knighthood, whose castles were built and owned by the order, not by an individual knight. And on a slight (only slight) tangent, the Templar rule was authored by St Bernard of Clairvaux, who was a prominent holy man but not a warrior. You can't emulate St Bernard with either a cleric or paladin build, unless - in either case - you just ignore the fact that you're a seriously puissant melee warrior. Which reflects both my point, and also reflects [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION]'s complaint about the lack of a non-warrior miracle worker in the classic D&D set-up. [/QUOTE]

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