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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 3089384" data-attributes="member: 151">Well, that sounds an awful lot like you're saying that the game is a success for you because it really discourages casual players, is inaccessible to all but the most fanatical and that it's hostile to newcomers.  Which could be a strength, I suppose, if you're not the newcomer.  That <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/evethesecondgenesis/review.html?mode=gsreview" target="_blank">certainly jibes</a> with <a href="http://archive.gamespy.com/reviews/june03/evepc/" target="_blank">reviews</a> I've seen of it.I can't name a single MMORPG that didn't have fans of that same stripe.  There are still more people playing Ultima Online than Eve Online, for example.  That's no measure of quality...but those are some dedicated fans, right there.  I mean, even with the continual decline, they still have as many subscribers as they did in 1999.  Everquest 1 has plummeted since WoW arrived, but they still command the same number of subscribers as they did in 2000.  And those are some contentious fans right there...thanks to SOE's attitudes, they really have to be.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> My point is, every MMORPG that I've played has a hardcore base that complains and moans but keeps coming back.  Eve Online certainly has carved out a niche for itself that no one has even approached.  But it's approach to gameplay is radically different than other MMORPGs in some respects and many gamers aren't looking for that experience.  They're fundementally different in design and gameplay.  It's a simple fact that fantasy games (whether electronic or otherwise) outsell science fiction games, generally.  There are tons of folks who have no interest in spending hours searching an asteroid belt to mine some minerals in EO who would sit transfixed while looking for herbs while exploring a forest in WoW.</blockquote>

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