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<blockquote data-quote="Lakesidefantasy" data-source="post: 9826886" data-attributes="member: 6682043">For those of you out there claiming that Roll-With-Dice People come up with some pretty creative ways to avoid rolling badly, well yes. Here is a partial list of various rolling methods we were testing about 10 years ago on the Paizo message boards. I will say though that the Point Buy method itself is a &quot;pretty creative way&quot; to avoid rolling badly as well.A decade ago I was particularly interested in constraining the variation inherent in rolling by tossing more and more dice. I had found that the more dice you roll, the more the results cluster around the average like tight little ball random numbers. This led to more predictability -- a surrogate for control.<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Classic&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Standard&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3 of 4d6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Heroic&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2d6+6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lurk3r&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d5+3 (reroll 1s)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lurk3r&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2d4+10</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Glutton&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4 lowest of 7d6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Glutton&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5 lowest of 8d6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Kaisoku&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d6+10 (points)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Jubal&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d10+7 (Way of the Wicked)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arrsanguinus&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5d4-2</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lakesidefantasy&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (Dice Point)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arengrey&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4d6 27/26/25 (mirror)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Murph&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9d2</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Scythia&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d4+6? (reroll 1s and 2s)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lakesidefantasy&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2 of 3d6+6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lakesidefantasy&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3 of 4d4+6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lakesidefantasy&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4 of 5d3+6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Azran&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6d3</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nobledrake&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ???</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Manimal&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d8+8</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lakesidefantasy&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15d2-12</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ilja&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d10+2d4</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ilja&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d12+2d3</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ilja&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2d8+1d2</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ilja&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d3-1d10+10</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Majuba&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5 of 7d4-2</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Majuba&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5 of 7d6-6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Majuba&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5 of 8d6-6</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">JohnF&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d5+1d4-1</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">JohnF&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2d6+1d4+1d3-1</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ilja&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d8+1d6+1d4</li>
</ol></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lakesidefantasy, post: 9826886, member: 6682043"] For those of you out there claiming that Roll-With-Dice People come up with some pretty creative ways to avoid rolling badly, well yes. Here is a partial list of various rolling methods we were testing about 10 years ago on the Paizo message boards. I will say though that the Point Buy method itself is a "pretty creative way" to avoid rolling badly as well. A decade ago I was particularly interested in constraining the variation inherent in rolling by tossing more and more dice. I had found that the more dice you roll, the more the results cluster around the average like tight little ball random numbers. This led to more predictability -- a surrogate for control. [LIST=1] [*]Classic 3d6 [*]Standard 3 of 4d6 [*]Heroic 2d6+6 [*]Lurk3r 3d5+3 (reroll 1s) [*]Lurk3r 2d4+10 [*]Glutton 4 lowest of 7d6 [*]Glutton 5 lowest of 8d6 [*]Kaisoku 3d6+10 (points) [*]Jubal 1d10+7 (Way of the Wicked) [*]Arrsanguinus 5d4-2 [*]Lakesidefantasy (Dice Point) [*]Arengrey 4d6 27/26/25 (mirror) [*]Murph 9d2 [*]Scythia 3d4+6? (reroll 1s and 2s) [*]Lakesidefantasy 2 of 3d6+6 [*]Lakesidefantasy 3 of 4d4+6 [*]Lakesidefantasy 4 of 5d3+6 [*]Azran 6d3 [*]Nobledrake ??? [*]Manimal 1d8+8 [*]Lakesidefantasy 15d2-12 [*]Ilja 1d10+2d4 [*]Ilja 1d12+2d3 [*]Ilja 2d8+1d2 [*]Ilja 3d3-1d10+10 [*]Majuba 5 of 7d4-2 [*]Majuba 5 of 7d6-6 [*]Majuba 5 of 8d6-6 [*]JohnF 3d5+1d4-1 [*]JohnF 2d6+1d4+1d3-1 [*]Ilja 1d8+1d6+1d4 [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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