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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8703262" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Oh absolutely.&nbsp; A lot of people will say &quot;but guidance, or advantage is easy, or Bards!&quot;, but the reality is, you cannot count on those things. Saying something is impossible is one thing, but setting a DC where you have a 10% chance to succeed is only fun if you succeed, if that make sense.The other 90% of the time, it's like &quot;well, that sucked&quot;.&nbsp; Especially in the scenario you described, where you have a 10% chance of saving an ally's life (or 15%, if you're willing to subject yourself to lingering penalties).Expertise is an outlier mechanic that I'm not especially thrilled with, but when you ability to &quot;get gud&quot; is so limited, in that it takes many levels to see even marginal increases, I think DC's should be much lower than they are now.If a 1st level character has a +5 on an ability check, for example, I really don't think DC's of even 15 are fair tests of their ability.&nbsp; You're basically flipping a coin every time you attempt something to see if it happens or not.&nbsp; I know other people will say &quot;how is making things easy fun&quot; and similar lines of thought, but if D&amp;D is heroic fantasy (which I think it is), then having players routinely do incredible things is part of that fantasy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8703262, member: 6877472"] Oh absolutely. A lot of people will say "but [I]guidance[/I], or advantage is easy, or Bards!", but the reality is, you cannot count on those things. Saying something is impossible is one thing, but setting a DC where you have a 10% chance to succeed is only fun if you succeed, if that make sense. The other 90% of the time, it's like "well, that sucked". Especially in the scenario you described, where you have a 10% chance of saving an ally's life (or 15%, if you're willing to subject yourself to lingering penalties). Expertise is an outlier mechanic that I'm not especially thrilled with, but when you ability to "get gud" is so limited, in that it takes many levels to see even marginal increases, I think DC's should be much lower than they are now. If a 1st level character has a +5 on an ability check, for example, I really don't think DC's of even 15 are fair tests of their ability. You're basically flipping a coin every time you attempt something to see if it happens or not. I know other people will say "how is making things easy fun" and similar lines of thought, but if D&D is heroic fantasy (which I think it is), then having players routinely do incredible things is part of that fantasy. [/QUOTE]

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