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Message: <blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 9050960" data-attributes="member: 7033455">the damage budget assumes all attacks hit and all saves are failed, so by your calculations it'd come out to 48 damage - however, i'd argue this ability qualifies as conditional damage (if you are grappled you take x, and other creatures take yx where y is the number of creatures currently grappled [assuming the creature can only grappled 2 creatures max]), and conditional damage is counted as being halved for the purposes of damage budget (because it assumes the conditions can only be fully met 50% of the time).edit: actually, it might technically be more correct to only assume 1 creature is grappled and 1 other gets hit, in which case it'd be 24 damage if not conditional and 12 damage if so.</blockquote>