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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6017699" data-attributes="member: 20323">Did you guys recently switch to 4e from 3e or an older version of D&D? I'm just wondering, because some of your examples (especially your encounter example about traps encountered by themselves) don't follow the 4e trend. Nothing wrong with that, 4e is very adaptable to different play styles, but you probably would need to tweak things to get an old school dungeon feel.Well, you seem like you identified the problem right off the bat - i would review the rules for those three spells/cantrips. Magic missile and prestidigitation are very hard to abuse. Mage hand can be abused, but if you follow the range, sustain, and weight limits, plus some common sense, it shouldn't be too hard.[quote He thinks there's a trap? Magic Missile.</blockquote>Uh, what would that do exactly? Even if he guessed to target trap's trigger, would the trap be destroyed by a couple hit points damage? I'm not seeing it. Maybe more info on your particular example would help?I don't know what to say about shoving other PCs on to potential traps, but OF COURSE any self-respecting Mage is going to use Mage hand to handle someththing that's potentially trapped! What's wrong with that?Whoa. Red flag. How the heck are you guys ruling social skills? Look, I don't know what the dynamic is between you two, but players wreck DM plans all the time, it's part of the game. They kill of beloved villains early, they come up with zany inventive ways to disarm/bypass traps, and they routinely stretch the limits of their alignments/divine patrons. Good DMs roll with the punches and adapt the game in the new direction.For example: this Mage is an illusionist/enchanter type, right? How about a monster/NPC he performed an extremely effective charm on become infatuated with him, and resurfaces at an inopportune moment (sy, while the PCs are sneaking) to swear their love or admiration for the Mage PC? Now the Mage has a pain in the ass bumbling henchman/fan club to deal with.[/QUOTE]

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