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<blockquote data-quote="GMMichael" data-source="post: 9500881" data-attributes="member: 6685730">Less &quot;I'm making this up&quot; and more &quot;WotC screwed up their rules, so I'll make an educated guess.&quot;&nbsp; Yeah, anyone with 25 gold can buy Thieves' Tools (provided you don't draw the watch's attention to the fence who is selling them), but not everyone gets proficiency with TT, so we're still talking about the Rogues here, mostly.&nbsp; Having the tool does not confer proficiency with said tools, and proficiency with a (proficiency-) tool is required to accomplish something with the tool.D&amp;D becomes better with a lot of things.This might be the rule, but it's a bad one.&nbsp; It puts pressure on the skills, tools, attack bonuses, and saving throws to not overlap, unless some rolls become too easy, or some players abuse the sloppy design.For example, I'll be taking Advantage every time I have to Perceive for guards while I'm lockpicking (tool prof), every time I run somewhere (athletics, acrobatics and Con save), or just attack (athletics and attack rolls), or do anything with my bard (instrument proficiency and well, all bard skills).The two should not overlap, or the Rogue gets Expertise for free in both proficiencies.Slightly . . .The DC 15 check is for 1) a trap that's been located, and 2) someone with TT proficiency.&nbsp; The DC 15 is also a reward&nbsp; (assuming WotC wasn't too lazy to write in &quot;the DM determines a reasonable DC&quot;) to Rogues for taking the class if anyone not proficient with TTs has to worry about a variable DC.There's always risk involved: if you don't successfully find a trap, you might just trigger it.&nbsp; But by tenth level, a rogue shouldn't be saying, &quot;stand back, team.&nbsp; I never know what will happen when I try to disarm one of these non-magical traps.&quot;Well, one reason they <s>basically removed</s> reduced armor class, and wrote up some monster templates, is that yes, kobolds should be dangerous all the way up to 20th level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMMichael, post: 9500881, member: 6685730"] Less "I'm making this up" and more "WotC screwed up their rules, so I'll make an educated guess." Yeah, anyone with 25 gold can buy Thieves' Tools (provided you don't draw the watch's attention to the fence who is selling them), but not everyone gets proficiency with TT, so we're still talking about the Rogues here, mostly. Having the tool does not confer proficiency with said tools, and proficiency with a (proficiency-) tool is required to accomplish something with the tool. D&D becomes better with a lot of things. This might be the rule, but it's a bad one. It puts pressure on the skills, tools, attack bonuses, and saving throws to not overlap, unless some rolls become too easy, or some players abuse the sloppy design. For example, I'll be taking Advantage every time I have to Perceive for guards while I'm lockpicking (tool prof), every time I run somewhere (athletics, acrobatics and Con save), or just attack (athletics and attack rolls), or do anything with my bard (instrument proficiency and well, all bard skills). The two should not overlap, or the Rogue gets Expertise for free in both proficiencies. Slightly . . . The DC 15 check is for 1) a trap that's been located, and 2) someone with TT proficiency. The DC 15 is also a reward (assuming WotC wasn't too lazy to write in "the DM determines a reasonable DC") to Rogues for taking the class if anyone not proficient with TTs has to worry about a variable DC. There's always risk involved: if you don't successfully find a trap, you might just trigger it. But by tenth level, a rogue shouldn't be saying, "stand back, team. I never know what will happen when I try to disarm one of these non-magical traps." Well, one reason they [S]basically removed[/S] reduced armor class, and wrote up some monster templates, is that yes, kobolds should be dangerous all the way up to 20th level. [/QUOTE]

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