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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lokishadow" data-source="post: 1576481" data-attributes="member: 19090">Go "old school"I know how you feel.  I'm only 25, but I've been married for 6 years, spent 5 years in the Marines, I have a child on the way, and, well, let's say I'm "gifted."  Meaning I'm about 10 times more mature than 90% of Americans my age, especially those in the military.  And who play RPG's.The bulk of my "Mature Players" are old school 1st ed. players and DM's who have to be coaxed to give up their THAC0's and weapon proficiency slots.  Most of them don't want to.  They're set in their ways, and that's fine, because what you're looking for is a good GAME, not a good game SYSTEM.  If you're looking for a good game system, get away from d20.  It functions, and works well with the Final Fantasy crowd, but most people who play D&D, at least the 3.5 version, are more focused on "winning," rather than "gaming."I'm getting a little off-track.  The bulk of my experience with 3.5 is the twinks, the newbs, the power-gamers.  Basically, the people who are insecure and unhappy with themselves, and are trying to find an iota of control over their lives.  Or, at least, an escape.  Why else would they watch porn, and ANIMATED porn at that?Try getting ahold of some old-school gamers.  Advertise for some 1st and 2nd edition players, explaining that you'd like them to keep an open mind.  Then, when they call you (or you call them), drop the bomb and ask them to give 3.5 a shot.  You'll probably get a lot of "no's," simply because they refuse to give in to the rampant commercialism inherent to modern D&D.  Yeah, a lot of what I've said is both stereotyping and overly critical.  I've got a lot of sweeping categorizations out there.  They're not all right all the time, or even some of the time.  They are a reflection of my experience.  Part of the reason I reccomend getting a hold of old school AD&D players is because age breeds maturity.  People who cut their teeth on AD&D (like you), are bound to be in their 30's or 40's, and thus would be more mature.In short, you need to change your age bracket.  My present DM, who's running one of the best games I've ever played, is a 50 year old retired Navy Chief Petty Officer.  We're playing 1st edition, which is a little clunky, but the GAME is the most fun I've had in 6 years...not counting my wife of course.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Get older, get more mature.  Have fun, wish you luck.</blockquote>

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