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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RainOfSteel" data-source="post: 3231128" data-attributes="member: 24460">Overall, these are the points I feel are in favor of metamagic rods being used when spells are cast for all cases.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is no restriction on when metagmagic rods may be used listed anywhere.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The phrase, "[...] the spell being cast" at the end of paragraph one of the item description.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The phrase in each separate item description, emphasis mine, "The wielder can cast [...] as though empowered* by using the Empower* feat".  This clearly indicates, for all cases, that the caster is not using the Empower feat, but casting the spell as though it had been empowered using it.  The rods aren't giving the feats over to the spellcaster, the rods are applying the feat in question to a spell as it is being cast.  (* Or any of the other feat names.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If metamagic rods are used by prepared spell spellcasters at spell preparation time, then this requires the assumption of new game mechanics to cover the complexities that arise from this situation.  If metamagic rods are used at casting time, no new game mechanics need be introduced.  (Thus, new entities beyond those necessary are not generated.)</li> </ul></blockquote>