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How Do Metamagic Rods Work For Preparation Spellcasters?
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<blockquote data-quote="anon" data-source="post: 3231303" data-attributes="member: 3727"><p>I summarize as follows: one can "use the feat" when one possesses the rod.</p><p></p><p>When does a Wizard normally use a metamagic feat? When the spell is prepared.*</p><p>When does a Sorcerer normally use a metamagic feat? When the spell is cast.</p><p></p><p>From this I conclude that Wizards use the rods at spell preparation, only, and Sorcerers use the rods at casting time, only.</p><p></p><p>*To those who might argue this, what happens, for example, if a Wizard has the Quicken Spell Feat, prepares a Quickened Magic Missile, then loses the feat? Does the spell go away? Revert to its normal level? Become unavailalbe? Or simply stay available ready to cast in its Quickened form? I would contend the last option is the correct one.</p><p></p><p>Additionally this quote supports the idea that Metamagic Feats are used by Wizards at preparation:</p><p></p><p> </p><p>_______</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This line is troublesome because, in the case of Wizards, the rod has nothing to do with casting, only with spell preparation. My interpretation of this internally contradictory description would be to interpret "can cast" as "can cast or prepare". A stretch I realize, but metamagic feats are used by Wizards when they prepare their spells, not when they cast them, IMHO.</p><p></p><p>_______</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>As I see it this line isn't really telling us anything new. If one insists that it's there for a reason, I think it's there so that Sorcerers wouldn't claim that casting a spell metamagic'd with a rod <em>wouldn't</em> draw an attack of opportunity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anon, post: 3231303, member: 3727"] I summarize as follows: one can "use the feat" when one possesses the rod. When does a Wizard normally use a metamagic feat? When the spell is prepared.* When does a Sorcerer normally use a metamagic feat? When the spell is cast. From this I conclude that Wizards use the rods at spell preparation, only, and Sorcerers use the rods at casting time, only. *To those who might argue this, what happens, for example, if a Wizard has the Quicken Spell Feat, prepares a Quickened Magic Missile, then loses the feat? Does the spell go away? Revert to its normal level? Become unavailalbe? Or simply stay available ready to cast in its Quickened form? I would contend the last option is the correct one. Additionally this quote supports the idea that Metamagic Feats are used by Wizards at preparation: _______ This line is troublesome because, in the case of Wizards, the rod has nothing to do with casting, only with spell preparation. My interpretation of this internally contradictory description would be to interpret "can cast" as "can cast or prepare". A stretch I realize, but metamagic feats are used by Wizards when they prepare their spells, not when they cast them, IMHO. _______ As I see it this line isn't really telling us anything new. If one insists that it's there for a reason, I think it's there so that Sorcerers wouldn't claim that casting a spell metamagic'd with a rod [I]wouldn't[/I] draw an attack of opportunity. [/QUOTE]
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