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How Do Metamagic Rods Work For Preparation Spellcasters?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3235257" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>It says it grants the ability to use the feat. When a wizard has the ability to use the Empower Spell feat, he does it while preparing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's your point? I give you an example of a melee touch attack made with a weapon; if you're not proficient with the weapon, you suffer a penalty.</p><p></p><p>Let's say I have a scimitar with which I am not proficient, and the Deep Impact psionic feat. When I resolve my attack with a melee weapon as a touch attack, do I take a -4 non-proficiency penalty?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. I think the note about provoking AoOs <em>is</em> specific - it applies when the caster is using the rod while casting a spell in a threatened area. If the caster doesn't use the rod while casting a spell in a threatened area, the note is not incorrect, it's just not pertinent to him. Just like the note about a light weapon is not incorrect, merely not pertinent, when someone isn't using a light weapon.</p><p></p><p>I don't consider the light weapon note to be misleading or in error; it clearly states what applies if someone is using a light weapon. Nor do I consider the casting note to be misleading or in error even under the preparation-time reading of metamagic rods; it states what applies if someone is casting a spell in a threatened area. </p><p></p><p>I note you don't argue that the rod can only be used to cast a spell if you are in a threatened area; why is it that the note tells us "The rod is always used at casting time!" but not "The rod is always used in a threatened area!"?</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3235257, member: 1656"] It says it grants the ability to use the feat. When a wizard has the ability to use the Empower Spell feat, he does it while preparing. What's your point? I give you an example of a melee touch attack made with a weapon; if you're not proficient with the weapon, you suffer a penalty. Let's say I have a scimitar with which I am not proficient, and the Deep Impact psionic feat. When I resolve my attack with a melee weapon as a touch attack, do I take a -4 non-proficiency penalty? I disagree. I think the note about provoking AoOs [i]is[/i] specific - it applies when the caster is using the rod while casting a spell in a threatened area. If the caster doesn't use the rod while casting a spell in a threatened area, the note is not incorrect, it's just not pertinent to him. Just like the note about a light weapon is not incorrect, merely not pertinent, when someone isn't using a light weapon. I don't consider the light weapon note to be misleading or in error; it clearly states what applies if someone is using a light weapon. Nor do I consider the casting note to be misleading or in error even under the preparation-time reading of metamagic rods; it states what applies if someone is casting a spell in a threatened area. I note you don't argue that the rod can only be used to cast a spell if you are in a threatened area; why is it that the note tells us "The rod is always used at casting time!" but not "The rod is always used in a threatened area!"? -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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