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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3195102" data-attributes="member: 30001">No.&nbsp; Bad refutation.&nbsp; Seems contradictory to make hazy arguments by assuming that ogres have the same economic motivations as humans and then turn around and say they have nothing in common.Humans are not &quot;completely&quot; different from monsters.&nbsp; Monsters were invented by human imagination, so they have a lot in common.&nbsp; Dragons hoard gold because people want gold and there's always some &quot;monster&quot; standing in the way of what people want.&nbsp; &quot;Evil&quot; is an actual, tangible force in DnD.&nbsp; By definition, a &quot;fantasy&quot; world turns the hopes, anxieties, etc. of human beings into tangible reality.&nbsp; If a dragon is the creation of people's ideas about greed, then a fantasy world explanation for dragons could be that the God of Greed had a hand in their creation.&nbsp; Sleeping on a pile of gold has the same explanation as why humans need to drink water to survive - it's at the root of their nature as a creature.&nbsp; I could invent something as circular and incomprehensible as DNA or Alignment to justify it.And besides, it hardly seems like you can dismiss the idea that an ogre in the middle of human lands can somehow survive, and yet not find use or their gold.&nbsp; If they've managed to stay alive, then they can manage to have dealings with non-good creatures where they live.&nbsp; You can imagine that ogres might have an &quot;easy come, easy go&quot; philosophy to money management.&nbsp; It's probably easy for them to bully it away from orcs, and so merchants probably know that ogres spend freely as well - providing incentive for taking the risks involved in dealing with such creatures.&nbsp; They can charge a lot for their bags full of live elves. That's not to say that people shouldn't take a second look at the circumstances behind a creature's accumulation of wealth.&nbsp; It would be a little strange if an ogre had nothing but platinum coins, for instance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3195102, member: 30001"] No. Bad refutation. Seems contradictory to make hazy arguments by assuming that ogres have the same economic motivations as humans and then turn around and say they have nothing in common. Humans are not "completely" different from monsters. Monsters were invented by human imagination, so they have a lot in common. Dragons hoard gold because people want gold and there's always some "monster" standing in the way of what people want. "Evil" is an actual, tangible force in DnD. By definition, a "fantasy" world turns the hopes, anxieties, etc. of human beings into tangible reality. If a dragon is the creation of people's ideas about greed, then a fantasy world explanation for dragons could be that the God of Greed had a hand in their creation. Sleeping on a pile of gold has the same explanation as why humans need to drink water to survive - it's at the root of their nature as a creature. I could invent something as circular and incomprehensible as DNA or Alignment to justify it. And besides, it hardly seems like you can dismiss the idea that an ogre in the middle of human lands can somehow survive, and yet not find use or their gold. If they've managed to stay alive, then they can manage to have dealings with non-good creatures where they live. You can imagine that ogres might have an "easy come, easy go" philosophy to money management. It's probably easy for them to bully it away from orcs, and so merchants probably know that ogres spend freely as well - providing incentive for taking the risks involved in dealing with such creatures. They can charge a lot for their bags full of live elves. That's not to say that people shouldn't take a second look at the circumstances behind a creature's accumulation of wealth. It would be a little strange if an ogre had nothing but platinum coins, for instance. [/QUOTE]

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