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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8597986" data-attributes="member: 6790260">This demonstrates that it is done. It does not demonstrate that it is acceptable to players.Consider, for example, the second poll indicates that more than 37% of players never want their DM to fudge. Which is even more than this thread would indicate! If that number were representative of games in general, then over 90% of groups would have at least one player opposed to fudging. That thread literally acts as evidence of exactly what I'm arguing: lots of DMs DO this, but they know that many groups have at least one person who would be very upset by it. If almost 2/3 of DMs fudge, but more than 1/3 of players dislike fudging, then it's extremely likely that LOTS of DMs fudge for players who are opposed to it.The 2010 poll is even worse--66.7% (56 votes) of voters said "As a Player - I never Fudge and frown upon it at my table!" (and 25 voters, 29.8% of the total, said the same thing but "As a DM.")The 2018 thread outright says, "Everybody cheats?" and even explicitly says, "Game masters have a phrase for cheating known as 'fudging' a roll." Oh, and several people who have participated in that thread are also participants in this thread, and openly called that article "absurd," so it would seem that people rejected that as a source back then--why would it become legitimate now? In fact, let's look at one particular user's comment:You may find it interesting to know <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/everybody-cheats.665485/#post-7750591" target="_blank">who wrote that</a>--especially since they didn't draw a hard distinction between "cheating" and "fudging."How is it better if DMs are good enough at their deceptions that they go undetected? Particularly if I tell them I don't like fudging and that it would upset me greatly if I found out about it?Like...are you being for real, here? "You've almost certainly had a DM fudge rolls against you, you just didn't notice." THAT'S NOT BETTER.(It's actually pretty unlikely that I have, though--for exactly the reasons from that 2018 quote above. I have very, very little in-person experience with TTRPGs. Almost all of my gaming has been online, mediated through Roll20, forums, Discord, Orokos. Digital records that can't be altered and that are made openly. No need to rely on whether the DM was being honest with me, I could look at the chat log and see it.)</blockquote>

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