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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8599525" data-attributes="member: 7028554">Just want to note that this isn't my experience at all, and I think it's an example of how varied the hobby is. I've always known that dice-fudging is a thing that some GMs do, and even something I did as a kid, until I realized it's more interesting for everyone to let the dice fall where they fall. I can write my novel after the game is over. But if I assumed every GM I was about to play was fudging, I wouldn't play. I'd find something else to do, or just try to GM as often as possible.Obviously everyone can and should play however is most rewarding for them. But it seems like these now-multiple fudging threads are so active and contentious because the more strident of us anti-fudgers are ultimately saying that pro-fudgers are lying to their players.Those are fightin' words, no doubt.There's no way around it--they demand a response, since whatever spin we put on it, it really is a kind of personal insult. But also, no amount of ethical gymnastics can get around the fact that it's (in nearly all cases) a deception. Maybe it's a white lie, maybe it's intended to help the greater good, but whatever the motive or result, it's deception.So, and I mean this sincerely, is there anything left to discuss? No amount of 140-respondent polls are going to convince anyone that the opposing position is inherently better or more normal. This seems like about as deep and intractable a divide as it gets.</blockquote>

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