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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8599908" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I'm a bit lost. Where is the deceit for the doctor coming from? Are they telling you that they 100% totally remember everything and never do research? If so, you need to run away and get a new doctor as fast as possible because that guy is a total quack you shouldn't trust with your health. Anyone that actually has an expectation that doctors aren't going to do research and feel that a doctor doing research but not explicitly telling you about it is the doctor lying to you is mentally unbalanced. I'd say seek a doctor's help, but, well, unlikely to have a positive result in that situation.</p><p></p><p>As for GM's deciding outcomes (and this is what is happening with fudging, it's not something else because the outcome is embedded in a longer series of conflicts) being the same as verifying facts to save people's lives, yeah, hard nope. That's outright silly, and claiming a level of justification that's as imaginary as the elf-games we're talking about.</p><p></p><p>Fudging is, simply put, overriding expected mechanical resolutions to fiat decide outcomes and doing so in a clandestine way. There's no need to sugercoat this. Again, if people have a problem with it, a farcical comparison to a doctor researching treatments for a patient isn't going to sway them, and if they don't have a problem with it, it doesn't even need to be a justification made. The only thing this does is some weird self-aggrandizing that GMing a game is the same as saving lives as a doctor -- fudging is the same as due diligence research into treatments. It's not, and the attempted claim is a bit insulting to the intelligence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8599908, member: 16814"] I'm a bit lost. Where is the deceit for the doctor coming from? Are they telling you that they 100% totally remember everything and never do research? If so, you need to run away and get a new doctor as fast as possible because that guy is a total quack you shouldn't trust with your health. Anyone that actually has an expectation that doctors aren't going to do research and feel that a doctor doing research but not explicitly telling you about it is the doctor lying to you is mentally unbalanced. I'd say seek a doctor's help, but, well, unlikely to have a positive result in that situation. As for GM's deciding outcomes (and this is what is happening with fudging, it's not something else because the outcome is embedded in a longer series of conflicts) being the same as verifying facts to save people's lives, yeah, hard nope. That's outright silly, and claiming a level of justification that's as imaginary as the elf-games we're talking about. Fudging is, simply put, overriding expected mechanical resolutions to fiat decide outcomes and doing so in a clandestine way. There's no need to sugercoat this. Again, if people have a problem with it, a farcical comparison to a doctor researching treatments for a patient isn't going to sway them, and if they don't have a problem with it, it doesn't even need to be a justification made. The only thing this does is some weird self-aggrandizing that GMing a game is the same as saving lives as a doctor -- fudging is the same as due diligence research into treatments. It's not, and the attempted claim is a bit insulting to the intelligence. [/QUOTE]
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