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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8600345" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Don't your own quotations from earlier show that we DO hear about this pretty regularly? This is a perennial topic. It's been coming up for decades at least.The follow-up question then becomes: is the fact that this doesn't get discussed proof that it isn't an issue? Or is there some other reason why people might not discuss it? As noted, when DM-advice stuff comes up, if it mentions fudging, the recommendation is always to keep it secret. And, yes, going through several youtube videos on the subject...you'll find that almost all of them make mention of how this is a controversial thing to do! Even the ones that are in favor of it. Even Colville, with his explicit statement that he will use faked die rolls so players believe that he rolled what he claims to have rolled. So, on the DM side, there is enormous pressure to never speak about it...especially because they are told that players may get upset. You say "it's not some conspiracy to not tell players that the DM is fudging," but so many completely unrelated sources reiterate over and over that the players need to not find out, or have someone whose group did find out looking for advice on how to fix the situation. So....I don't think we can really say that there's nothing whatsoever to the claim that DMs are strongly, strongly encouraged, by a variety of sources, to not talk about this thing.On the player side, we have people in this thread who have let it slide, with the (sadly often fulfilled) expectation that the game will slowly die for other, related reasons anyway. We have had people (plural) who have left games because of fudging--or who had decided that the only reason to stick around was because of the social activity, with the game being superfluous or even a negative (just not enough to make the activity a net negative). Having just done a quick search in Google for "D&D" "fudging," I have already found multiple threads on D&D Beyond wherein DMs talk about the controversial nature of the practice, or where players somehow "caught" them fudging and now there's a breach of trust. So....yeah, this would seem to actually be something people talk about pretty regularly! Youtube videos (many, many of them), Reddit posts, forum threads. Many involve DMs with upset players, or DMs looking for validation on whether what they're doing is "okay," etc. That would seem to be a pretty clear indication that there's an ongoing discussion, at least among DMs, and there is a consensus that players shouldn't be allowed to find out that it happens.</blockquote>

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