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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2985381" data-attributes="member: 478">Just counting total damage is completely meaningless. You need to count the total effect, and there are many factors. I will list some below, which are only related to the specific example.Yep, the choice of powers is limited, as said above. With the extra feats its not so much of a problem, though, to get some from other disciplines (which probably most Psions want to).10d6+10 is about 13d6 already. With +2 to the DC, that's probably better than 15d6 already. With no extra feat investment (not counting the bonus feats the Psion has over the Sorcerer), no higher casting time (or other cost to remove that a few times per day), freely choosable energy type, a dozen powers of 3rd+ base level to choose from (not just 6, where only 1 is of the highest level, not 4-8 (the 8 is including some others with full level-advancing augmentation)) to manifest instead of 'fireball'.The psion can use empower, too, btw. Then we also have some serious feat investment and casting time issues (getting Focus back) as well. Damage is then 12d6+12 effectively, or 15-16d6, they still get to change energy type and all the other goodies.They can even do that while grappled and silenced. And dressed in full plate armor. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />If you use 'exceptional' for the Sorcerer there already... what's the Warmage then? Or the Psion?How much benefit do you think it is to cast/manifest something else instead of Fireball?How much benefit is it to have a lot more choice than just Fireball here?(with the variant you mean the metamagic without casting time increase variant, right?)ByeThanee</blockquote>

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