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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_Ditto" data-source="post: 3272036" data-attributes="member: 30566">I wouldn't call it a "problem" ... it's just "different" ... the knee-jerk reaction when encountering things "different" however, does seem to be to call it a "problem" ...I know some here do not agree and that's fine, but I'll say it again: this "problem" isn't unique to psionics - although it may be easier to do ... Again, not a uniquely psionic issue, but yes, it is one area which psionics does better ... clerics get a ton of healing spells, wizards don't, does that mean clerics are better? (based on this point alone?) no ... (based on many other points - maybe ... not going to debate clerics vs wizards .. hehe  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )Yes, they are "different" ... but as a counter-point ... wizards get a ton of force effect spells ... those are not affected by most resistances, and psions can't compare to that ... so are wizard's "better" because of that??  Nope .. they are "different" ... True - but they do still have to pay for it when they want it .. ok, maybe it does save them a feat ...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> But considering a wizard gets a lot more out of a lower level slot and a psion actually has to pay for it ... I think I'll call those even ...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (ie 10th level wizard using a 3rd level slot (fireball) does 10d6 dmg. a 10th level psion using the "equivilent" 3rd level slot (ie 5 pp) gets 5d6 (or maybe 5d6+5 dmg) ....)Again ... wizard is better in this point, so does that make wizard better overall?  Nope .. just different ....The same can be said for arcane and divine as well - very easily ... again, this is not unique to psionics ... this is something any DM has to watch for ...Yep ... sorcerers done properly ... I think this is a good thing, and IMHO, sorcerers should follow suit ...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   But you are right, as written, the sorcerer is severly gimped in this ... note that wizards are not affected by this ... True ... I have nothing to say on this one ... I always thought it a bit ... "odd" ... Psicrystals are typically seen as pretty "sucky" ... the construct type is as much a hindrance as a boon ... since a lot of effects cannot target it ... I've never really found the psicrystal any significantly stronger than familiars ...Most games I'm in don't really pay too much attention to material components ... so I've never seen this as a big issue ... for expensive components, the psionic equivilents have an xp cost .. personally, I'd rather have the component ... Not unique to psionics .. any caster/manifester has to make a concentration check to be able to do it ... any wizard I've ever taken has always had an "escape plan" for being grappled, and this was no different when I was a Wilder ... I made sure I had access to a spell/power that could get me out of a grapple quickly and easily.In both cases, I needed a concentration check ... so again, I don't see much difference between the two here.Again, I was in a campaign playing a Wilder/Constructor (arguably the best way of spitting out powerful constructs ... especially ahead of the curve) ... alongside a Druid ...Believe me, the Druid's summons were much more effective than my constructs well over ~70% of the time ... I had a couple of fights where I managed to do well .. but it was the Druid's swimmers in water than were better than my swimmers, his flyers could fly circles around mine ... True, if we ended up in a straight up land slug-fest .. those were the times I managed to keep up - if not excel ... but even then, his Elementals could match me easily ... and he was spitting out Huge sized critters before I was ... They look good on paper, but try to avoid the knee-jerk reaction .. play them out sometime ... try them out first before jumping to conclusions ...True ... this may be a good point .. but I haven't yet seen this abused in any way that even compares to .. say .. Metamagic rods ... Again ... wizards have the edge with Metamagic rods ..Psions have the edge with Dorjes ... Ok ... and?(this can go on forever ... comparing them like this isn't going to prove anything ... except that they are different ... )Actually, aren't most magic items Use Activated?? (ie Gloves of Storing, Bag of Holding, Helm of Teleportation .. etc)Reserve Feats ....No, but they are different .. that's what all these points end up showing ... and I think that's ok ... Clerics and Wizards are different .. as are Druids ... so why can't Psions be different?  Would it be better if they were a cookie-cutout of Wizards?  Personally - I don't think so ... I agree with that, I do really enjoy the flavour of psionics over traditional arcane or divine magic ... it's the difference that really draws me to it ..</blockquote>

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