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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3773227" data-attributes="member: 6562">Well, I'm honestly not convinced. Let me try to explain my reasoning on this one.1/ I *like* that a Focused 1st level hero is nearly guaranteed success in his one (or two if human) field(s) of Focus. That's what "hero at 1st level" should be like IMHO.2/ Wizards that I've seen tend to prioritize Dex and Con only slightly below Int. Dexterity for Ray attacks, AC/Reflex, and at high level Initiative. So the Wizard in your example should IMHO have a +2, rather than a +0.3/ 1st level Wizards should NOT have a good chance of Tumbling around. Tumbling is frankly against archetype.4/ The real loser here should be the Cleric, who might very well have a +0 Dex modifier, and will moreover have on some kind of armor with a penalty -- shall we call it -4?- - -So, let's look at four guys:A - an Acrobat (Trained, Focused, +3 Dex mod)B - a Burglar (Trained, +2 Dex mod)C - a Conjurer (+2 Dex mod)D - a Disciple of Pelor (+0 Dex, -4 ACP)Level 1, DC 10 / 15 / 20 (using +5 Saga rules)A - 100% / 95% / 70%B - 90% / 65% / 40%C - 65% / 40% / 15%D - 30% / 5% / 0%Level 1, DC 10 / 15 / 20 (using +3 KD rules)A - 100% / 75% / 50%B - 80% / 55% / 30%C - 65% / 40% / 15%D - 30% / 5% / 0%Level 6, DC 10 / 15 / 20 (using +5 Saga rules)A - 100% / 100% / 90%B - 100% / 80% / 55%C - 80% / 55% / 30%D - 45% / 20% / 0%Level 6, DC 10 / 15 / 20 (using +3 KD rules)A - 100% / 90% / 65%B - 95% / 70% / 45%C - 80% / 55% / 30%D - 45% / 20% / 0%I dunno about that. A level 6 master acrobat has a one in ten chance of failing to avoid an AoO. Sure, at level 8 he'll finally get that perfect 100% (+1 from two point boost to Dex, +1 from level), but I think it's safe to assume that even level 6 guys will occasionally fight in rough terrain and otherwise face penalties to skill rolls -- so the master acrobat will fail at his shtick more than 10% of the time.To put it in perspective, in D&D a maxed-out Rogue can get +3 Dex, +2 synergy, +3 Skill Focus and 6 ranks in Tumble by level 3 (for 100% chance to hit DC 15).Thoughts?Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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