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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eryndel" data-source="post: 1110675" data-attributes="member: 13120">andThese ideas, in my mind, seem to contradict one another.  The usual effect I see of a save or die effect is to take a creature out quickly, thus robbing them of the opportunity of being heroic.  Sure, without "save or die" spells, a character will likely stay alive for several rounds, but this will at least give them the time to act heroicly.I consider this a good thing. If a character in a game I'm running needs to die, I feel they should at least have a chance to go out well. "Save or Die" spells take that away.  Personally, I don't remove them entirely, but that are used very cautiously (only the true big bad's of mine will have death effects and I tend to keep them out of my players hands.)  The reason: They have the ability to dramatically change the game at a moments notice.  As a GM, I want to keep that power to myself.  That saying, these spells can be used to increase dramatic tension.   I just make sure they are generally used to scare the PCs, not remove them from my game.Just my thoughts,Werner</blockquote>