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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6481975" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Notice that the OP is making a specific reference to p. 251 of the DMG here. This is in the section on Using Miniatures. I missed this on my first reading of the post and responded as if Theatre of the Mind were being used instead, which I assume is what Gygax's rules, which I attempted to simplify, were developed for.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like these rules very much, although drawing a bunch of lines on a mat still seems a bit fiddley. I especially like that it takes full squares/hexes into account, at least somewhat addressing the issue of simultaneous movement that I and others brought up, by taking into account the full range of a creature's reach. Also of note is that even when all corners of a creature's space are covered it is only counted as 3/4 cover as long as the possibility exists of firing a shot through the spaces between objects or creatures (as through an arrow slit). This looks like a very sensible way to narrow the field of who might be hit by such an attack and is one more reason, for me, to use miniatures.</p><p></p><p>The rules for Hitting Cover are very good too, but not so useful for the OP, whom I assume had already read this page too, since the question is about how to adjudicate firing through <em>multiple</em> creatures providing cover, whereas the passage on p. 272 only covers whether a single creature is hit. What if there are more than one?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I missed this the first time around too, but I believe it's the answer you were looking for. If multiple creatures are providing cover for the target and the attack roll fails to hit by an amount less than or equal to the bonus to AC that the cover provides, then the creature who is hit by the attack could be determined randomly. In which case, the only thing my first post may have added is one possible method for differentiating between multiple targets by size. Of course there remains the possibility of an arrow that missed by more that the amount of the bonus hitting someone standing behind the original target, but a way of determining this eludes me once the creatures in front have been given precedent, and it all becomes that much more fiddley.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I've said above, I believe this is what the OP was asking about. I don't see how it is unfair to allow for friendly fire in a situation where a character or monster is shooting arrows in the direction of its friends, especially if the results limit said fire to creatures who are actually providing cover for the target of the attack. Waiting for the right time would be readying an action, which is completely possible, but that time may not necessarily ever come.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6481975, member: 6787503"] Notice that the OP is making a specific reference to p. 251 of the DMG here. This is in the section on Using Miniatures. I missed this on my first reading of the post and responded as if Theatre of the Mind were being used instead, which I assume is what Gygax's rules, which I attempted to simplify, were developed for. I like these rules very much, although drawing a bunch of lines on a mat still seems a bit fiddley. I especially like that it takes full squares/hexes into account, at least somewhat addressing the issue of simultaneous movement that I and others brought up, by taking into account the full range of a creature's reach. Also of note is that even when all corners of a creature's space are covered it is only counted as 3/4 cover as long as the possibility exists of firing a shot through the spaces between objects or creatures (as through an arrow slit). This looks like a very sensible way to narrow the field of who might be hit by such an attack and is one more reason, for me, to use miniatures. The rules for Hitting Cover are very good too, but not so useful for the OP, whom I assume had already read this page too, since the question is about how to adjudicate firing through [I]multiple[/I] creatures providing cover, whereas the passage on p. 272 only covers whether a single creature is hit. What if there are more than one? I missed this the first time around too, but I believe it's the answer you were looking for. If multiple creatures are providing cover for the target and the attack roll fails to hit by an amount less than or equal to the bonus to AC that the cover provides, then the creature who is hit by the attack could be determined randomly. In which case, the only thing my first post may have added is one possible method for differentiating between multiple targets by size. Of course there remains the possibility of an arrow that missed by more that the amount of the bonus hitting someone standing behind the original target, but a way of determining this eludes me once the creatures in front have been given precedent, and it all becomes that much more fiddley. As I've said above, I believe this is what the OP was asking about. I don't see how it is unfair to allow for friendly fire in a situation where a character or monster is shooting arrows in the direction of its friends, especially if the results limit said fire to creatures who are actually providing cover for the target of the attack. Waiting for the right time would be readying an action, which is completely possible, but that time may not necessarily ever come. [/QUOTE]
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