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How do you adjudicate the spells, polymorph self and polymorph other?
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<blockquote data-quote="Grundle" data-source="post: 249621" data-attributes="member: 1978"><p>Nothing that one dispel can't handle. It your players have come to rely on these spells as a standard part of their characters, a dispel every now and then can really get'em to think outside of the box - or wind up inside one permanently.</p><p></p><p>on to the topic of discussion...</p><p></p><p>My gnome illusionist just made 8th level and I was considering taking polymorph self, but IMHO, its a pretty weak spell compared to other 4th level spells (Phantasmal Killer, Shadow Well, Shadow Conjuration, etc.). </p><p></p><p>Good points:</p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> gives you the healing of a full day's rest (but only once)</p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> possible flying, swimming, or waterbreathing abiltiy(within speed constraints of the spell)</p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Some forms may provide a slightly better attack bonus (like I WANT to be swinging at things when I could be casting spells).</p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> +10 to disguise checks (Look I really am a badass - better take me out first!)</p><p></p><p>Limiting factors:</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> Mage armor, shield, and haste provide the spellcaster with plenty of AC (Don't need no stinking polymorph)</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> Most forms assummed will not have speech and/or access to equipment - No spell casting, scrolls, potions, wands, etc.</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> without (Su) or (Ex) abilities the forms (at least that a small-size caster can take) just seem pretty lame. Why would I want to be a completely neutered small-to-young-adult sized dragon without any equipment? So I can stand there with my meager pool of hp and get my little spellcasting ass kicked?</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> No gaseous form - gaseous form would actually be useful enough to justify choosing this spell as one of the two you get when leveling up.</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> No multi-attack. Who wants to be a Maralith with 3 broken arms?</p><p></p><p>I agree there was room for abuse with this spell, but in its current form its little more than a fancy disguise self spell - rarely worth a 4th level spell slot in my opinion. It has some roleplay usefulness, but ain't that great in combat situations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grundle, post: 249621, member: 1978"] Nothing that one dispel can't handle. It your players have come to rely on these spells as a standard part of their characters, a dispel every now and then can really get'em to think outside of the box - or wind up inside one permanently. on to the topic of discussion... My gnome illusionist just made 8th level and I was considering taking polymorph self, but IMHO, its a pretty weak spell compared to other 4th level spells (Phantasmal Killer, Shadow Well, Shadow Conjuration, etc.). Good points: :) gives you the healing of a full day's rest (but only once) :) possible flying, swimming, or waterbreathing abiltiy(within speed constraints of the spell) :) Some forms may provide a slightly better attack bonus (like I WANT to be swinging at things when I could be casting spells). :) +10 to disguise checks (Look I really am a badass - better take me out first!) Limiting factors: :mad: Mage armor, shield, and haste provide the spellcaster with plenty of AC (Don't need no stinking polymorph) :mad: Most forms assummed will not have speech and/or access to equipment - No spell casting, scrolls, potions, wands, etc. :mad: without (Su) or (Ex) abilities the forms (at least that a small-size caster can take) just seem pretty lame. Why would I want to be a completely neutered small-to-young-adult sized dragon without any equipment? So I can stand there with my meager pool of hp and get my little spellcasting ass kicked? :mad: No gaseous form - gaseous form would actually be useful enough to justify choosing this spell as one of the two you get when leveling up. :mad: No multi-attack. Who wants to be a Maralith with 3 broken arms? I agree there was room for abuse with this spell, but in its current form its little more than a fancy disguise self spell - rarely worth a 4th level spell slot in my opinion. It has some roleplay usefulness, but ain't that great in combat situations. [/QUOTE]
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