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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4842092" data-attributes="member: 11821">At what point does the module become fixed, though?&nbsp; Maddman has an excellent point - you're arbitrarily dividing adventure design into before- and during-play times.&nbsp; If a dungeon room hasn't interacted with the game whatsoever, how is changing its contents during play different from doing so a week beforehand?So if a group of PCs decides to do so half an hour into the game, and you don't have a &quot;module&quot; prepared, what then?&nbsp; Quit for the night and not play?Is it your expectation that DMs should have fully-detailed realistic campaign settings before play, with information on - for example - bazaars in distant towns?Again, that's not like any RPG I've ever seen or ever played.&nbsp; That's past sandbox play and well into ... gosh, I don't even know a good term.&nbsp; Sandbox play is (AFAIK) all about having enough details to improvise (see the Wilderlands box set) - while this is seemingly about having enough details and never improvising, and remaining confined to individual modules for all aspects of play.I think there are other reasons, but that you think so doesn't surprise me.Basically, I think once again that you're defining &quot;role-playing game&quot; in a bizarre and non-intuitive way.&nbsp; You're focusing on an RPG as a series of dungeon rooms to overcome, while RPGs are - and have always been - a lot more than that.What's more, you're excluding games which fall outside of your narrow and unconventional definiton from the umbrella of &quot;role-playing game,&quot; instead dismissing them as &quot;story games.&quot;&nbsp; It's a crazy - and frankly frustrating - form of one-true-wayism that basically amounts to you telling others, &quot;You're pretending to be an elf wrong.&quot;So, I'll ask - since the definition used by others in this thread matches the popular definition of RPGs and is used by just about everyone except you; and your definition does not...&nbsp; Would you say it's fair to instead say you're playing &quot;puzzle games&quot; whereas others are playing &quot;role-playing games&quot;?-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4842092, member: 11821"] At what point does the module become fixed, though? Maddman has an excellent point - you're arbitrarily dividing adventure design into before- and during-play times. If a dungeon room hasn't interacted with the game whatsoever, how is changing its contents during play different from doing so a week beforehand? So if a group of PCs decides to do so half an hour into the game, and you don't have a "module" prepared, what then? Quit for the night and not play? Is it your expectation that DMs should have fully-detailed realistic campaign settings before play, with information on - for example - bazaars in distant towns? Again, that's not like any RPG I've ever seen or ever played. That's past sandbox play and well into ... gosh, I don't even know a good term. Sandbox play is (AFAIK) all about having [I]enough details to improvise[/I] (see the Wilderlands box set) - while this is seemingly about having enough details and never improvising, and remaining confined to individual modules for all aspects of play. I think there are other reasons, but that you think so doesn't surprise me. Basically, I think once again that you're defining "role-playing game" in a bizarre and non-intuitive way. You're focusing on an RPG as a series of dungeon rooms to overcome, while RPGs are - and have always been - a lot more than that. What's more, you're excluding games which fall outside of your narrow and unconventional definiton from the umbrella of "role-playing game," instead dismissing them as "story games." It's a crazy - and frankly frustrating - form of one-true-wayism that basically amounts to you telling others, "You're pretending to be an elf wrong." So, I'll ask - since the definition used by others in this thread matches the popular definition of RPGs and is used by just about everyone except you; and your definition does not... Would you say it's fair to instead say [I]you're[/I] playing "puzzle games" whereas others are playing "role-playing games"? -O [/QUOTE]

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