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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HolyGrenadeFrenzy" data-source="post: 3656001" data-attributes="member: 41808">I agree with this approach the most...Although, it is a mark of a particularly gracious DM which I am not always known for.  Depending on the attitude of the overlooking of RULE ZERO from the Dmg or and Game Mastering manual I find that sometimes the player needs a direct approach toward them more than their character.  In extreme cases of rules lawyering and Cannonizing I have been known to say things like this little speach," As a DM for a long time, I have discovered that I have a very strong opinion about role playing games and I believe you are entittled to hear it if you play with me for very long out of concern for you as a player.  Role playing is a modern adaption to the ancient art of storytelling which also had variation and added themes, including contradiction from time to time.  If you don't feel like you can handle a ROLE PLAYING situation perhaps you should reconsider playing a game with others who do.  Consider this a piece of advice from someone whom doesn't believe a card game or video game are as exceptional as a role playing game.  And a Chastisement, even. Consider what I have just said as someone whom is concerned with your growth as a role player and one whom also knows not everyone is cut out for role playing.  I am not taking offense yet you need  to realize this.  Or all our times are going to be wasted on petty aurguments instead of a good time......I am going for a short walk to get some things.  Perhaps you should decide yourself and by talking to some of the other players here to decide what you think.  I welcome you as a player but not as a rival."   Leave for about 5 to 8 minutes and them return.  Talk to all your players as equals yet be firm about your job as arbitraiter of more than just the rules......The world is your responsiblity.  If they leave your game respect their choice and if they come back, welcome them.   Do not let them bring in anyone to railroad the Game Master/Dungeon Master or the personal manipulation has gone too far and is unhealthy for everyone.  Let the players realize that running a game is a job and a duty you perform with dignity.  If you must give them a link to this post and tell them you agree with me.Out of 20+ times over the last 20 years of giving speaches like this only 3 times were things not right by the time I returned.  Each time were with different players.  Once someone left and didn't return and twice someone returned with someone else to try and pick the aurgument back up..........They were looking for an aurgument not a role playing game.</blockquote>

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