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How do you deal with Hardness 20? (Spoilers for The Infernal Syndrome)
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<blockquote data-quote="Kaisoku" data-source="post: 5948546" data-attributes="member: 58447"><p>Okay, so was this the real reason for the post?</p><p>Considering how generic the first question was, but then your response to answers being regarding a specific situation, it feels a little like you are aiming to soapbox, rather than seek any real help.</p><p></p><p>If that's not the case, and your post was simply a reaction to the situation, then I apologize. It just felt.. "hinky".. how the thread progressed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Typical" adventure? That monster of a boss is anything but typical.. You can't build it according to the normal rules for Animated Objects (between fire damage, fast healing, etc).</p><p></p><p>Besides, the rules for animated objects involved Hardness in 3.5e as well.. this is hardly a Pathfinder thing. Is it upsetting that they didn't take it out? Maybe... but this is literally the first time I've seen an Animated Object with Adamantine hardness, so it's quite a rare situation.</p><p></p><p>Regarding that specific encounter, it's up the DM to adjudicate if energy damage would affect a <em>specific</em> creature/object. Considering it's "super heated" metal, I'd be inclined to allow Cold damage to at least do full damage, if even bypass hardness, simply because the rapid cooling will cause stress on the metal. Voila, fully within core DM adjudication to allow a Cone of Cold to give this thing a bad day.</p><p></p><p>What 3e D&D (3.0, 3.5 & Pathfinder) does is emphasize how bad it is to <em>specialize</em>. If you have a lot of options available (casters having scrolls and wands, fighters having alternative weapons and combat styles, etc), then you can be ready for a wider variety of encounters.</p><p></p><p>But it's rare that you run into something that needs "Macguffin X" to win, and nothing else works, so your pooched if you don't have it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Lastly, I'd suggest putting up spoilers for any discussion on the encounter or adventure for the creature, because this went from a general "How do you beat hardness" to "How can I kill this specific creature in a printed encounter".</p><p>People might be wanting to play the game you are posting detailed information about without warning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kaisoku, post: 5948546, member: 58447"] Okay, so was this the real reason for the post? Considering how generic the first question was, but then your response to answers being regarding a specific situation, it feels a little like you are aiming to soapbox, rather than seek any real help. If that's not the case, and your post was simply a reaction to the situation, then I apologize. It just felt.. "hinky".. how the thread progressed. "Typical" adventure? That monster of a boss is anything but typical.. You can't build it according to the normal rules for Animated Objects (between fire damage, fast healing, etc). Besides, the rules for animated objects involved Hardness in 3.5e as well.. this is hardly a Pathfinder thing. Is it upsetting that they didn't take it out? Maybe... but this is literally the first time I've seen an Animated Object with Adamantine hardness, so it's quite a rare situation. Regarding that specific encounter, it's up the DM to adjudicate if energy damage would affect a [I]specific[/I] creature/object. Considering it's "super heated" metal, I'd be inclined to allow Cold damage to at least do full damage, if even bypass hardness, simply because the rapid cooling will cause stress on the metal. Voila, fully within core DM adjudication to allow a Cone of Cold to give this thing a bad day. What 3e D&D (3.0, 3.5 & Pathfinder) does is emphasize how bad it is to [I]specialize[/I]. If you have a lot of options available (casters having scrolls and wands, fighters having alternative weapons and combat styles, etc), then you can be ready for a wider variety of encounters. But it's rare that you run into something that needs "Macguffin X" to win, and nothing else works, so your pooched if you don't have it. Lastly, I'd suggest putting up spoilers for any discussion on the encounter or adventure for the creature, because this went from a general "How do you beat hardness" to "How can I kill this specific creature in a printed encounter". People might be wanting to play the game you are posting detailed information about without warning. [/QUOTE]
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