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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1870076" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Actually I believe the original story of robin hood has him</p><p>1. targeting the rich, and more often than not those rich through tithes and taxes rather than those rich off their own backs.</p><p></p><p>2. Not just handing the lot off to the poor. He gave the poor 1/3rd, took 1/3rd for himself and returned 1/3rd to the owners.</p><p></p><p>3. Did it specifically to fight against the establishment</p><p>So my view on his good/evil/chaos/law thing</p><p>1. Broke the law. Repeatedly. Did it to defy the establishment. Chaotic.</p><p></p><p>2. Took from others to improve his own lot. Evil</p><p>2.a) Only took from others that it would not harm seriously - less evil.</p><p></p><p>3. Gave to others at the expense of his own lot. Good.</p><p></p><p>So - sum total of a little bit good and quite chaotic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they believe themselves to be something which happens to correspond in the D&D alignment system with evil.</p><p></p><p>Most evildoers don't go out and think to themselves "I think I'll be evil today". They think "I'd like some money, so I'll grab it off that guy". Or "what does he matter, he's just a weakling".</p><p></p><p>They may think of themselves as lawbreakers (ie - chaotic), or honorable (ie - lawful), but while evil in terms of the D&D system is objective, ones own perceptions of it still remain subjective.</p><p></p><p>The evil overlord isn't keeping the peasants down and poor and uneducated because he enjoys being evil. He enjoys being in power.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You're missing the point. It's not about avoidable deaths. It's about who profits, and on what grounds the decision is made.</p><p></p><p>If you make the decision to kill the whole crew because then you're spared, you're evil.</p><p></p><p>If you make the decision to risk the whole crew because then you'll be spared, you're probably not evil.</p><p></p><p>If you make the decision to risk the whole crew because then some of them will be spared, you're not evil.</p><p></p><p>If you make the decision to save the whole crew and sacrifice yourself, you're good.</p><p></p><p>And what alignment you assign to yourself internally doesn't matter a damn thing if your actions don't reflect it.</p><p></p><p>Try to save someone and end up killing them instead? Your action wasn't "kill the guy" it was "try to save the guy".</p><p></p><p>Your action matters, not the outcome.</p><p></p><p>Go dungeoneering and release a spirit? Unless someone told you "if you go dungeoneering, you'll release a spirit that will kill us all" and you had reason to believe him, your action was "go dungeoneering". The consequences don't change the morality of that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 1870076, member: 5890"] Actually I believe the original story of robin hood has him 1. targeting the rich, and more often than not those rich through tithes and taxes rather than those rich off their own backs. 2. Not just handing the lot off to the poor. He gave the poor 1/3rd, took 1/3rd for himself and returned 1/3rd to the owners. 3. Did it specifically to fight against the establishment So my view on his good/evil/chaos/law thing 1. Broke the law. Repeatedly. Did it to defy the establishment. Chaotic. 2. Took from others to improve his own lot. Evil 2.a) Only took from others that it would not harm seriously - less evil. 3. Gave to others at the expense of his own lot. Good. So - sum total of a little bit good and quite chaotic. No, they believe themselves to be something which happens to correspond in the D&D alignment system with evil. Most evildoers don't go out and think to themselves "I think I'll be evil today". They think "I'd like some money, so I'll grab it off that guy". Or "what does he matter, he's just a weakling". They may think of themselves as lawbreakers (ie - chaotic), or honorable (ie - lawful), but while evil in terms of the D&D system is objective, ones own perceptions of it still remain subjective. The evil overlord isn't keeping the peasants down and poor and uneducated because he enjoys being evil. He enjoys being in power. You're missing the point. It's not about avoidable deaths. It's about who profits, and on what grounds the decision is made. If you make the decision to kill the whole crew because then you're spared, you're evil. If you make the decision to risk the whole crew because then you'll be spared, you're probably not evil. If you make the decision to risk the whole crew because then some of them will be spared, you're not evil. If you make the decision to save the whole crew and sacrifice yourself, you're good. And what alignment you assign to yourself internally doesn't matter a damn thing if your actions don't reflect it. Try to save someone and end up killing them instead? Your action wasn't "kill the guy" it was "try to save the guy". Your action matters, not the outcome. Go dungeoneering and release a spirit? Unless someone told you "if you go dungeoneering, you'll release a spirit that will kill us all" and you had reason to believe him, your action was "go dungeoneering". The consequences don't change the morality of that. [/QUOTE]
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