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<blockquote data-quote="RenleyRenfield" data-source="post: 9570142" data-attributes="member: 7044197">I'll be honest, I have no idea what you are driving at here with all that.&nbsp; But it sounds neat so... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As a guess.... it sounds like there is a typical wargame problem here, not a roleplaying game issue.&nbsp; D&amp;D and Pathfinder tend to create these problems that are not real problems. For example, in D&amp;D, the situation of troops and casualties you mention = is a problem.&nbsp; Because D&amp;D is a nonsense combat game where full death/ murder is required due to 1 hp and 1000 hp being the same level of functionality.&nbsp; Where as in a roleplaying game, like say, PBTA, actors in a fight Suffer Harm/complications, which can take them out of the fight without full death, or simply reduce their effectiveness = which is 100% what real-world war/battle/skirmish is about and does.&nbsp; You don't need to utterly murder or kill the enemy, you just need to remove their effectiveness or fight capacity such that they fall back.&nbsp;&nbsp; = that kind of battle can't be done in D&amp;D or Pathfinder or most other wargame rpgs. ...So with that said, even still, a better system can make a &quot;Soldier character&quot; feel competent without &quot;1 shot 1 full murder kill&quot; nonsense - if they are able to do various soldier stuff well (endure fatigue, take out enemy strong points, neutralize targets, wound or route enemies, reduce enemy target fighting force numbers through wound/scatter/smoke/psywar/etc) TL/DRBeing competent does not mean wiping the board or fully flawless victories.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RenleyRenfield, post: 9570142, member: 7044197"] I'll be honest, I have no idea what you are driving at here with all that. But it sounds neat so... :) As a guess.... it sounds like there is a typical wargame problem here, not a roleplaying game issue. D&D and Pathfinder tend to create these problems that are not real problems. For example, in D&D, the situation of troops and casualties you mention = is a problem. Because D&D is a nonsense combat game where full death/ [I]murder is required due to 1 hp and 1000 hp being the same level of functionality[/I]. Where as in a roleplaying game, like say, PBTA, actors in a fight Suffer Harm/complications, which can take them out of the fight without full death, or simply reduce their effectiveness = which is 100% what real-world war/battle/skirmish is about and does. You don't need to utterly murder or kill the enemy, you just need to remove their effectiveness or fight capacity such that they fall back. = that kind of battle can't be done in D&D or Pathfinder or most other wargame rpgs. ... So with that said, even still, a better system can make a "Soldier character" feel competent without "1 shot 1 full murder kill" nonsense - if they are able to do various soldier stuff well (endure fatigue, take out enemy strong points, neutralize targets, wound or route enemies, reduce enemy target fighting force numbers through wound/scatter/smoke/psywar/etc) TL/DR Being competent does not mean wiping the board or fully flawless victories. [/QUOTE]

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