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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7889579" data-attributes="member: 6895991">Then you might hit another pillar of D&amp;D (regardless of what issue) which is covered better by other systems: Namely skills.The best system which has skills for all sorts of mundane and not so mundane actions I personally know and love to play atm is DSA (Das schwarze Auge) German originated, The black eye in English.They got a check on two to three ability scores for each skill (always three checks but sometimes an attribute is checked 2x) which does not result in only success or failure, but a quality of the outcome. Each of these checks can be raised when doing &quot;level up&quot; (it is level less, but you get building points as reward for completing adventures)It is also quite class-less, of course there are build-packages e.g. for the dwarven fighter or the human mage, but you could play a baker or a carpenter as well if you wanted toWith D&amp;D otoh you got checks depending on one attribute and eventually proficiency or 2x proficiency in some rare cases. Most characters are not proficient in many skills, and to raise them other than that either requires to raise the corresponding attribute or get the skilled feat or selecting some background.It is in no way granular, some situations where you would check for &quot;selfcontrol&quot; or &quot;act of strength&quot; within DSA are handled via saving throws rather in D&amp;D which is very class-dependant again.So you got the situation of a system designed for combat/magic (which is more versatile than with DSA)when you would need a system supporting the roleplaying capabilities (which DSA does perfectly) but with D&amp;D it is hard for the players to raise skills that would support the RP, and D&amp;D skills are not very granular, so you got to substitute a lot, E.g. you make a medicine check to determine for whatever ails another character in D&amp;D, whereas in DSA such a check would be split up into healing lore -wounds/poison/disease/psychic (So four different skills).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7889579, member: 6895991"] Then you might hit another pillar of D&D (regardless of what issue) which is covered better by other systems: Namely skills. The best system which has skills for all sorts of mundane and not so mundane actions I personally know and love to play atm is DSA (Das schwarze Auge) German originated, The black eye in English. They got a check on two to three ability scores for each skill (always three checks but sometimes an attribute is checked 2x) which does not result in only success or failure, but a quality of the outcome. Each of these checks can be raised when doing "level up" (it is level less, but you get building points as reward for completing adventures) It is also quite class-less, of course there are build-packages e.g. for the dwarven fighter or the human mage, but you could play a baker or a carpenter as well if you wanted to With D&D otoh you got checks depending on one attribute and eventually proficiency or 2x proficiency in some rare cases. Most characters are not proficient in many skills, and to raise them other than that either requires to raise the corresponding attribute or get the skilled feat or selecting some background. It is in no way granular, some situations where you would check for "selfcontrol" or "act of strength" within DSA are handled via saving throws rather in D&D which is very class-dependant again. So you got the situation of a system designed for combat/magic (which is more versatile than with DSA) when you would need a system supporting the roleplaying capabilities (which DSA does perfectly) but with D&D it is hard for the players to raise skills that would support the RP, and D&D skills are not very granular, so you got to substitute a lot, E.g. you make a medicine check to determine for whatever ails another character in D&D, whereas in DSA such a check would be split up into healing lore -wounds/poison/disease/psychic (So four different skills). [/QUOTE]

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