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How do you feel about 4E right *now*? (week of 1/21/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="Voss" data-source="post: 4006059" data-attributes="member: 57593"><p>Full-blown does get excessive, but full-out gamist gets excessive as well. I'm a little worried about an overreaction that leads to what is essentially a board game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hated this, personally. GMing by fiat annoys me to no end. Mostly this doesn't seem a major concern, but there was a hint of this in the monster design comments a little while back.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I hate the spike and pole style of play, but the second part doesn't jive with my first edition memories- encounters meant xp and gold (which, in itself, was more XP), which was largely point. Avoiding them was counter productive. Goal and quest based XP is much more fun than body-count XP. Successfully completing recovering the <whatever> should be rewarded more than grinding through every last group of monsters to no purpose. Which is why the combat emphasis of previews so far has me concerned</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I could go either way on this. Played basic, expert and 1e and 2e this way, didn't really use mini's (or counters) until 3rd. Both have good and bad points.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I honestly think that all of this, and role-playing, can be done regardless of the system. Social mechanics can be somewhat useful, but they aren't a substitute for proper interaction. And while I intend to use my own setting (though I will probably use the feywild and shadowfell rules to represent traditional 'places' like Faerie and Shadow), I've got a bit of a bias, being somewhat over-trained in history, so I don't really want the default setting to be stupid from a social, historical or economic perspective. And the default setting a has a distinct list toward the stupid from where I sit. Which I guess is better than the new Realms, which seems to have imploded under the weight of its own stupid. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Alignment tends to make for a stupid social setting, so I'm just as happy to see it gone.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe. Its why I'm here, but I'm still uncertain.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voss, post: 4006059, member: 57593"] Full-blown does get excessive, but full-out gamist gets excessive as well. I'm a little worried about an overreaction that leads to what is essentially a board game. Hated this, personally. GMing by fiat annoys me to no end. Mostly this doesn't seem a major concern, but there was a hint of this in the monster design comments a little while back. I hate the spike and pole style of play, but the second part doesn't jive with my first edition memories- encounters meant xp and gold (which, in itself, was more XP), which was largely point. Avoiding them was counter productive. Goal and quest based XP is much more fun than body-count XP. Successfully completing recovering the <whatever> should be rewarded more than grinding through every last group of monsters to no purpose. Which is why the combat emphasis of previews so far has me concerned I could go either way on this. Played basic, expert and 1e and 2e this way, didn't really use mini's (or counters) until 3rd. Both have good and bad points. I honestly think that all of this, and role-playing, can be done regardless of the system. Social mechanics can be somewhat useful, but they aren't a substitute for proper interaction. And while I intend to use my own setting (though I will probably use the feywild and shadowfell rules to represent traditional 'places' like Faerie and Shadow), I've got a bit of a bias, being somewhat over-trained in history, so I don't really want the default setting to be stupid from a social, historical or economic perspective. And the default setting a has a distinct list toward the stupid from where I sit. Which I guess is better than the new Realms, which seems to have imploded under the weight of its own stupid. Alignment tends to make for a stupid social setting, so I'm just as happy to see it gone. Maybe. Its why I'm here, but I'm still uncertain. [/QUOTE]
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