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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5897989" data-attributes="member: 51942">Actually, I dislike healing surges as they are in 4e, yet voted "okay in principle, but...".  I think the idea (particular the surge value bit) has merit, but find the conflation of healing with pacing to be bad in any case.  The execution in 4e is mostly poor: the flavor is off; the interaction with magical healing weird, and there's lots of little bits that interact with healing surges that have nothing to do with healing.I'd like to see something akin to Star Wars d20's Wound/Vitality split, with unlimited self-healing for the vitality bit (like short rests in 4e), and very limited healing for the "real wounds" bit (which you should only get if you've no vitality left).Pacing - the idea that PC's can't fight all day - is neat, but I think its best dealt with separately.  Other strenuous activity might also cause fatigue (such as using dailies, some skill checks, hard travel, etc).  And the consequences of pushing through fatigue shouldn't be "you die" but softer.  Not to mention that something like this would be perfect for one of 5e's optional modules, since I can well imagine that for many campaigns, it's just unnecessary bookkeeping.</blockquote>