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<blockquote data-quote="Nergal Pendragon" data-source="post: 6505960" data-attributes="member: 6777649"><p>And my point, at the beginning, was that the artwork should serve a purpose. And to give the artist some consideration that certain purposes may not serve the game product's interests well. However, the OP has since posted what the product will be and the style of artwork, the nudity in the case of that artwork was an item I agreed would serve the work well.</p><p></p><p>So, overall, we're arguing over the same point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Believe it or not, but printing costs remain very much a real concern even with PDFs. In the case of PDFs, the "printing" cost is the cost of hosting it and dealing with downloads, and in that case you tend to have practical limitations on how big you can make the PDF before people start refusing to download it. That's why PDF-oriented companies tend to produce books that are much smaller in size or containing much less artwork than print-oriented companies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're going to find that most RPG companies shy away from nudity. Numenera, which includes what is probably the best-written and most mature book that deals directly with sex that I have ever seen for an RPG supplement, doesn't include a single bit of nudity within any of its books. Including the sex book. Shadowrun has prostitution very much part of its setting, yet also avoids nudity like the plague. Savage Worlds, which frankly very obviously sells itself at least in part on titillation, tends to have <em>less</em> showing of skin than Pathfinder. I think you'll find the most nudity in nWoD, and even then it's maybe two pieces hidden deep in random supplements; the rest of the time, what little artwork there is tends more towards covering. And DnD has gone so far away from it that what little they have actually stands out more as a result.</p><p></p><p>So, if anything, on the nudity front, Pathfinder is probably the most risque of the major RPGs.</p><p></p><p>For the minor RPGs, I find most of the ones I've seen tend to either be around the level of Shadowrun or Pathfinder, though quite a few also tend towards DnD and Numenera. It's been a long time since the Book of Erotic Fantasy came out, and these days it seems products like that simply don't seem to be around as much anymore. So, for anyone producing a supplement, they have to deal with a market that is a lot more conservative on the nudity issue than it once was. We've come a long way from when nudity could be found in DnD.</p><p></p><p>And, the above is not to say that nudity shouldn't be presented; it's to say someone producing a product today has to consider whether or not it would make any money with how the market currently is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nergal Pendragon, post: 6505960, member: 6777649"] And my point, at the beginning, was that the artwork should serve a purpose. And to give the artist some consideration that certain purposes may not serve the game product's interests well. However, the OP has since posted what the product will be and the style of artwork, the nudity in the case of that artwork was an item I agreed would serve the work well. So, overall, we're arguing over the same point :P Believe it or not, but printing costs remain very much a real concern even with PDFs. In the case of PDFs, the "printing" cost is the cost of hosting it and dealing with downloads, and in that case you tend to have practical limitations on how big you can make the PDF before people start refusing to download it. That's why PDF-oriented companies tend to produce books that are much smaller in size or containing much less artwork than print-oriented companies. You're going to find that most RPG companies shy away from nudity. Numenera, which includes what is probably the best-written and most mature book that deals directly with sex that I have ever seen for an RPG supplement, doesn't include a single bit of nudity within any of its books. Including the sex book. Shadowrun has prostitution very much part of its setting, yet also avoids nudity like the plague. Savage Worlds, which frankly very obviously sells itself at least in part on titillation, tends to have [I]less[/I] showing of skin than Pathfinder. I think you'll find the most nudity in nWoD, and even then it's maybe two pieces hidden deep in random supplements; the rest of the time, what little artwork there is tends more towards covering. And DnD has gone so far away from it that what little they have actually stands out more as a result. So, if anything, on the nudity front, Pathfinder is probably the most risque of the major RPGs. For the minor RPGs, I find most of the ones I've seen tend to either be around the level of Shadowrun or Pathfinder, though quite a few also tend towards DnD and Numenera. It's been a long time since the Book of Erotic Fantasy came out, and these days it seems products like that simply don't seem to be around as much anymore. So, for anyone producing a supplement, they have to deal with a market that is a lot more conservative on the nudity issue than it once was. We've come a long way from when nudity could be found in DnD. And, the above is not to say that nudity shouldn't be presented; it's to say someone producing a product today has to consider whether or not it would make any money with how the market currently is. [/QUOTE]
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