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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9327849" data-attributes="member: 29398">I've never DMed one. (if we're still talking about Holy Avengers)&nbsp; I think one or two have come up in shopping lists, but they didn't get bought because of either cost or incompatibility with the then-current party.As a player, I've seen exactly two in play that I can remember.&nbsp; One of them was the target of a fetch quest, thus we had to give it up after the adventure in which we found it.But get this: the other - a Holy Avenger mace - belongs to my Cleric in our Saturday game, and he's using it in the field right now. (that game doesn't have Paladins; instead HA's can be used by Goodly Clerics...and maybe Fighters? not sure on them)True this.&nbsp; There's many an item in my treasure tables that I've never seen come up at random (though in fairness, those tables are considerably larger than those in any DMG).Edit to add: I had to check: in my tables, &quot;Holy Avenger&quot; is a property that any weapon can have; and the overall odds of generating a Holy Avenger weapon (of any type or root '+') when rolling for a single magic item are something like 1 in 4755.Also true; and it matters even less if balance isn't one's top priority.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9327849, member: 29398"] I've never DMed one. (if we're still talking about Holy Avengers) I think one or two have come up in shopping lists, but they didn't get bought because of either cost or incompatibility with the then-current party. As a player, I've seen exactly two in play that I can remember. One of them was the target of a fetch quest, thus we had to give it up after the adventure in which we found it. But get this: the other - a Holy Avenger mace - belongs to my Cleric in our Saturday game, and he's using it in the field right now. (that game doesn't have Paladins; instead HA's can be used by Goodly Clerics...and maybe Fighters? not sure on them) True this. There's many an item in my treasure tables that I've never seen come up at random (though in fairness, those tables are considerably larger than those in any DMG). [I]Edit to add:[/I] I had to check: in my tables, "Holy Avenger" is a property that any weapon can have; and the overall odds of generating a Holy Avenger weapon (of any type or root '+') when rolling for a single magic item are something like 1 in 4755. Also true; and it matters even less if balance isn't one's top priority. [/QUOTE]

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