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<blockquote data-quote="Philip Benz" data-source="post: 7858230" data-attributes="member: 6975782">Save or die has been part of D&amp;D since its inception. It was never a &quot;fun&quot; thing to have happen to your character, but risking your (character's) life is part of what makes an adventure exciting. The best adventures are when you just barely succeed, and sometimes that's accompanied by a few player deaths.Fortunately, Raise Dead spells have been there all along too, although that tends to be the appanage of higher-level characters. Sometimes you just have to admit death and roll up a new character. Personally, when that happens, I just roll with it, but some players get angry when their character dies. It's a situation that has to be dealt with delecately by DMs and other players alike.I have to admit that I like the 4 levels of success you find in the current iteration of PF2. Save or die spells generally only inflict death on a critical failure (10 points below a save, or a natural &quot;1&quot;) and have other, lesser effects on a simple failure, or even a successful saving throw. It gives more variety to outcomes and carries a lesser chance of insta-death.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Philip Benz, post: 7858230, member: 6975782"] Save or die has been part of D&D since its inception. It was never a "fun" thing to have happen to your character, but risking your (character's) life is part of what makes an adventure exciting. The best adventures are when you just barely succeed, and sometimes that's accompanied by a few player deaths. Fortunately, Raise Dead spells have been there all along too, although that tends to be the appanage of higher-level characters. Sometimes you just have to admit death and roll up a new character. Personally, when that happens, I just roll with it, but some players get angry when their character dies. It's a situation that has to be dealt with delecately by DMs and other players alike. I have to admit that I like the 4 levels of success you find in the current iteration of PF2. Save or die spells generally only inflict death on a critical failure (10 points below a save, or a natural "1") and have other, lesser effects on a simple failure, or even a successful saving throw. It gives more variety to outcomes and carries a lesser chance of insta-death. [/QUOTE]

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