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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4758565" data-attributes="member: 386">Okay.Most players probably don't know how to make a rope of climbing.  (Yes, I mean players.)Some steps are optional (infuse the rope with an animal spirit?) and some can be done in a different order (place the rope in a magic circle before binding it to its animating spirit).One can recognize that some techniques might be more or less efficient (speaking baby-talk to the rope probably isn't going to do any good).How difficult is the task?  Well, a rope of climbing is a level 10 item; the skill challenge to make it is probably around the same level.For my take on skill challenges - and this may or may not be WotC approved, but it fits with how they work - you need a conflict.  That means two characters opposed to each other.  (Yes, the rope was a character.)The "x" successes before "y" failures mechanic determines the resilience of the opposing force.Now that the players have attempted such a task, they know it's possible in the future.  The can weigh that option - including using Infernal powers to control it or sacrifices to awaken it - to undertake similar tasks in the future.If that isn't players learning about the game world through experience, gaining knowledge to overcome challenges, I don't know what is.I agree with you there.  That's why I use the NPC's defenses as the target DC.And, of course, what actually happens in the game.I don't have a problem with different tasks being assigned different difficulty levels, ie. different Levels.Situation: A blizzard has struck while you are trying to pass through a mountain range.Do you think Diplomacy is going to work in this situation?  If not, how is that not a rational assessment of the situation at hand?</blockquote>

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