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<blockquote data-quote="Happiest_Sadist" data-source="post: 387809" data-attributes="member: 1743">Guesswork then testing.&nbsp; I would make a charachter of the most favorable class for the creature (or for the class the player wants), generally at 5th or 6th level.&nbsp; Then I make a standard charachter and find the first level where the standard char has a 50% or better chance of outperforming them.&nbsp; (I don't make full chars, but mentally construct them.)Ex.&nbsp; Half dragon, fighter, assuming the charachter dosn't get wings.5th level:&nbsp; Str 24, Dx 12, Con 20, 45 hp.&nbsp; Ac 23Attack:&nbsp; +14 Melee, 2d6+14 Damage, Masterwork Greatsword.&nbsp; Elemental Immunity and breath.Human Fighter: 8th level:&nbsp; Str 16, Dx 12, Con 16, 61 HP.&nbsp; Ac 19Attack:&nbsp; +13/+8 Melee, 2d6 +6 Damage, Masterwork greatsword.Well they seem about equal in combat,&nbsp; The Dragon is tougher, has better AC, and does more damage with one hit.&nbsp; The human has better overall attacks and HP, and more feats.&nbsp; So they seem roughly equal.&nbsp; However the dragon has a breath weapon, immunity, and better mental scores.&nbsp; So, lets place the Ecl at +4 because if anything the non-monster should be better.However for a charachter playing a single classed sorcerer, the ECL might only be +3 because they are not playing to draconic strengths.&nbsp; A courtier might only be +2 because they gain so few usable advantages.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Happiest_Sadist, post: 387809, member: 1743"] Guesswork then testing. I would make a charachter of the most favorable class for the creature (or for the class the player wants), generally at 5th or 6th level. Then I make a standard charachter and find the first level where the standard char has a 50% or better chance of outperforming them. (I don't make full chars, but mentally construct them.) Ex. Half dragon, fighter, assuming the charachter dosn't get wings. 5th level: Str 24, Dx 12, Con 20, 45 hp. Ac 23 Attack: +14 Melee, 2d6+14 Damage, Masterwork Greatsword. Elemental Immunity and breath. Human Fighter: 8th level: Str 16, Dx 12, Con 16, 61 HP. Ac 19 Attack: +13/+8 Melee, 2d6 +6 Damage, Masterwork greatsword. Well they seem about equal in combat, The Dragon is tougher, has better AC, and does more damage with one hit. The human has better overall attacks and HP, and more feats. So they seem roughly equal. However the dragon has a breath weapon, immunity, and better mental scores. So, lets place the Ecl at +4 because if anything the non-monster should be better. However for a charachter playing a single classed sorcerer, the ECL might only be +3 because they are not playing to draconic strengths. A courtier might only be +2 because they gain so few usable advantages. [/QUOTE]

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