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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 5139907" data-attributes="member: 29252">Traditional answer to the subject line:You don't.Slightly more helpful answer:You don't.&nbsp; You make him find you.&nbsp; He's put a LOT of effort into being unfindable.&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; Type 1) He's probably not as good at spotting things as he is at hiding things.&nbsp; Show him what happens when you duplicate his method.&nbsp; Clone-of-him BBEG had the dungeon teleport-blocked by a hireling, convinces the party to brave his stronghold, and then once they're good and deep, closes off a big maze-like section, and starts sniping everyone (starting with the spelltheif).&nbsp; Toss a Ring of Invisibility onto the clone (command word is in Drow Sign, so as not to give away location), and whenever the problem player goes invisible, the BBEG just uses the at-will ring to wait out the actual spell.&nbsp; Once the problem player is visible again, BBEG switches to Improved Invisibility and goes to town.&nbsp; Oh yes, and the BBEG also put the keystone spell in wand/staff form, as appropriate to it's level.Type 2) Level the playing field.&nbsp; Obscuring Mist makes his methods rather useless.&nbsp; If he's more than ten feet away from his target, he can't target his target except by guessing at a square.&nbsp; If he fires from less than ten feet away, his location is known, and he can be hit with an area effect.&nbsp; Oh yes, and Sneak Attack doesn't work.&nbsp; Type 3) Terrain choice + True Seeing.&nbsp; Unless he's got Hide in Plain Sight (Camouflage, actually; Hide in Plain Sight does not negate the need for cover, just the restriction that you can't hide while being observed...) from somewhere, he can't hide without Cover or Concealment.&nbsp; If there's no actual cover/concealment in the area, and the target has True Seeing to negate the invisibility, it doesn't matter what the spellthief's Hide modifier is - he can't use the skill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 5139907, member: 29252"] Traditional answer to the subject line: You don't. Slightly more helpful answer: You don't. You make him find you. He's put a LOT of effort into being unfindable. Okay. Type 1) He's probably not as good at spotting things as he is at hiding things. Show him what happens when you duplicate his method. Clone-of-him BBEG had the dungeon teleport-blocked by a hireling, convinces the party to brave his stronghold, and then once they're good and deep, closes off a big maze-like section, and starts sniping everyone (starting with the spelltheif). Toss a Ring of Invisibility onto the clone (command word is in Drow Sign, so as not to give away location), and whenever the problem player goes invisible, the BBEG just uses the at-will ring to wait out the actual spell. Once the problem player is visible again, BBEG switches to Improved Invisibility and goes to town. Oh yes, and the BBEG also put the keystone spell in wand/staff form, as appropriate to it's level. Type 2) Level the playing field. Obscuring Mist makes his methods rather useless. If he's more than ten feet away from his target, he can't target his target except by guessing at a square. If he fires from less than ten feet away, his location is known, and he can be hit with an area effect. Oh yes, and Sneak Attack doesn't work. Type 3) Terrain choice + True Seeing. Unless he's got Hide in Plain Sight (Camouflage, actually; Hide in Plain Sight does not negate the need for cover, just the restriction that you can't hide while being observed...) from somewhere, he can't hide without Cover or Concealment. If there's no actual cover/concealment in the area, and the target has True Seeing to negate the invisibility, it doesn't matter what the spellthief's Hide modifier is - he can't use the skill. [/QUOTE]

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