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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2968701" data-attributes="member: 12037">It's difficult because Level Adjustment is basically a no HD, no BAB, no saves, no feats, etc level.For this example, just assume the Vampire is balanced as +8 LA (substitute another template if you want).A non-gestalt Fighter 1 <a href="http://d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm" target="_blank">Vampire</a> (ECL 9) templated character has 1 HD, and thus is missing out on things normally associated with hit dice, missing three feats, two ability score increases, several points of BAB and saves, and so on and so forth. The exchange is generally what what you're getting in return is much better than class features normally given. That's part of the balancing factor of the LA.If you allow LA to be one side of a gestalt, then you don't have these balancing factors anymore. You can get, say, all the benefits of the Vampire template with BAB, saves, etc. That's how it can be unbalancing.EDIT: Compare to a normal class/class gestalt where you pick the best of similar abilities. +1 BAB instead of +0. +1 Will instead of +0. Sneak Attack +1d6 and an increase in Favored Enemy. With LA/class you're getting two dissimilar abilities instead of picking between similar options.</blockquote>