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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drawmack" data-source="post: 812148" data-attributes="member: 4981">I voted other. At each level I allow the players to choose. They can either baseline (hd/2) or roll the bones. If they roll the die they are stuck with whatever they get.No and everyone (except classes with bonus feats) get the same exact feat progressions. Those with bonus feats that progression is taken into account when balancing the classes. For example who would take fighter if every other level he got to roll d% and if it was over 50 could take a feat, but if under 50 sorry.Again this is a balancing factor of the class. Some classes spend more time learning and honing skills then other classes, therefor those classes get more skill points. For example who would take rogue if you got 1d8 skill points per level instead of 8 skill points per level.That's just silly. You are wrong the feats are the meat of the fighter, just like the class abilities are the meat of every class. The fighter gets a d10 every level. Thats an average of 5hp/level at 20th level that's an average of 100 + con bonus * 20 hp. On top of that when you increase your con you get the hp retroactivly. This means that a fighter with even 12 starting con can have a con of (12 + 20/4) 17 = and average of 100 + 60 = 160 hit points. A rogue doesn't get to apply int increases to skills retroactivly.  On top of this the fighter can take feats to improve hit points even more.Here is a break down of the arverage hit points for someone with 12 con at 20th level.Barbarian 6.5*20 + 20 = 150Fighter, Paladin, Ranger 5.5 * 20 + 20 = 130Cleric, Druid, Monk 4.5*20 + 20 = 110Bard, Rogue 3.5*20 + 20 = 90Sorcerer, Wizard 2.5 * 20 + 20 = 70Taking the average hit points and looking at the martialness of the class the only class that seems a bit off is the fighter. But remember that a fighter gets 11 bonus feats. This makes the fighter one of, if not the, most customizable classes. You've got to pay for that somewhere.There is an optional rule in the core rulebooks for baselinning hit points. hd/2 + con every level. If you don't like rolling just use that.</blockquote>

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