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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Allegro" data-source="post: 4592039" data-attributes="member: 38814">This is one of those truly annoying aspects about 3.5.  Most 20th characters are less able to tell if an NPC is lying then a 1st level bard.  I'm playing with a cleric who would like to tell a fib or two but is stymied because he doesn't have any ranks in bluff but he has plenty of ranks in diplomacy.  The DM generally asks for a bluff roll every time my bard lies about something.  This discourages other players from roll playing because they are scared of rolling low on the untrained skill check.  Additionally, sense Motive skill ckecks have to be requested.  I do like the system where the DM asks the players to make 5 spot, and sense motive checks before playing.  This avoid the "I think I failed a sense motive" comments.  When I DM, I have a rule of no skill checks PC vs PC.  So no slight of hands, diplomancy, sense motives and bluff.  I've personally struggled with how to role play as player knowing a rogue was using slight of hands to steal from the group but nobody being able to beat his skill check.  Eventually the characters should become aware of this even if they can never beat a spot check.</blockquote>