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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7789335" data-attributes="member: 23751">No it really isn't automatic at all.&nbsp; I'm very good at reading people, but I don't do it all the time.&nbsp; There are lots of times that I just don't care and I'm just talking to someone.&nbsp; It's something I have to make an effort to do most times.&nbsp; Sometimes I just pick up on something without any effort, but it's only sometimes.&nbsp; In any case, it doesn't matter whether you feel something is automatic or active.&nbsp; In both cases it's only the DM that calls for a roll, not the players.This is wrong even with what you describe.&nbsp; Pretty much anything done automatically is going to be inferior to active attempts.&nbsp; When the PC walks into a room, he weakly perceives the walls and potential secret doors.&nbsp; If he actively examines the wall closely, he is FAR more likely to succeed.&nbsp; It's not only not redundant, it is generally going to be better.This is also not as true as you make it sound.&nbsp; Most times when someone asks me if I have seen a movie or know about something, I have to actually think about it consciously.&nbsp; It doesn't just pop into my head of its own volition.&nbsp; Something I've seen many times like Star Wars, sure, that wouldn't take an action.&nbsp; Some non-blockbuster I saw once 10 years ago?&nbsp; You better believe I'd have to make an effort to remember.Again, though, it's not really relevant.&nbsp; Only the DM calls for rolls, and generally after the player describes a PC's action.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7789335, member: 23751"] No it really isn't automatic at all. I'm very good at reading people, but I don't do it all the time. There are lots of times that I just don't care and I'm just talking to someone. It's something I have to make an effort to do most times. Sometimes I just pick up on something without any effort, but it's only sometimes. In any case, it doesn't matter whether you feel something is automatic or active. In both cases it's only the DM that calls for a roll, not the players. This is wrong even with what you describe. Pretty much anything done automatically is going to be inferior to active attempts. When the PC walks into a room, he weakly perceives the walls and potential secret doors. If he actively examines the wall closely, he is FAR more likely to succeed. It's not only not redundant, it is generally going to be better. This is also not as true as you make it sound. Most times when someone asks me if I have seen a movie or know about something, I have to actually think about it consciously. It doesn't just pop into my head of its own volition. Something I've seen many times like Star Wars, sure, that wouldn't take an action. Some non-blockbuster I saw once 10 years ago? You better believe I'd have to make an effort to remember. Again, though, it's not really relevant. Only the DM calls for rolls, and generally after the player describes a PC's action. [/QUOTE]

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