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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7789482" data-attributes="member: 6779196">“Use insight, unlike “attack,” is not an action the character takes. It’s a game mechanic.And if the orc takes some kind of social action against you, your passive Wisdom (Insight) will set the DC. If you want to take an action of your own, you need to tell me what that action is.Here’s what the 5e rules say about passive checks:So, if I want to secretly determine whether your character succeeds at noticing the orc’s shifty behavior, I will roll his Charisma (Deception) against your Passive Wisdom (Insight). You don’t have to announce anything for that. If you want to take an action to try to proactively determine something about the orc’s intentions rather than relying on passive Wisdom (Insight) alone, that is when I will require a goal and an approach to adequately adjudicate your action.Agreed, which is why, if the orc fails to beat your passive Wisdom (Insight) with his Charisma (Deception) check, I’ll telegraph the fact that he’s lying.Again, “use Insight” is not an action. It’s a mechanical process used to resolve an action. If you want to accomplish something, tell me what and how. I’ll tell you if it succeeds, fails, or requires an ability check to determine the outcome. In the latter case, that is the point where it would be appropriate for you to suggest that your Insight proficiency might be applicable to the roll.I’ve said repeatedly that if the orc does lie to you, I’ll use your passive Wisdom (Insight) to determine whether or not you notice his tell.I don’t know what this means.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7789482, member: 6779196"] “Use insight, unlike “attack,” is not an action the character takes. It’s a game mechanic. And if the orc takes some kind of social action against you, your passive Wisdom (Insight) will set the DC. If you want to take an action of your own, you need to tell me what that action is. Here’s what the 5e rules say about passive checks: So, if I want to secretly determine whether your character succeeds at noticing the orc’s shifty behavior, I will roll his Charisma (Deception) against your Passive Wisdom (Insight). You don’t have to announce anything for that. If you want to take an action to try to proactively determine something about the orc’s intentions rather than relying on passive Wisdom (Insight) alone, that is when I will require a goal and an approach to adequately adjudicate your action. Agreed, which is why, if the orc fails to beat your passive Wisdom (Insight) with his Charisma (Deception) check, I’ll telegraph the fact that he’s lying. Again, “use Insight” is not an action. It’s a mechanical process used to resolve an action. If you want to accomplish something, tell me what and how. I’ll tell you if it succeeds, fails, or requires an ability check to determine the outcome. In the latter case, that is the point where it would be appropriate for you to suggest that your Insight proficiency might be applicable to the roll. I’ve said repeatedly that if the orc does lie to you, I’ll use your passive Wisdom (Insight) to determine whether or not you notice his tell. I don’t know what this means. [/QUOTE]

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