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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7789484" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Using insight isn't just a game mechanic.&nbsp; I can say, in the real world, &quot;I used my vast insight to debate this argument&quot;.&nbsp; The verb and the noun are applied correctly outside of a mechanical sense.&nbsp; Whether it is a mechanical sense or not, the action still hasn't changed.&nbsp; Therefore, it's a pointless requirement.That last line means no specific action is required for a passive check to take place.&nbsp; That's because a player doesn't know he needs to take an action.&nbsp; If he doesn't know it he doesn't take it, and if he doesn't take it but the check is still made there was clearly no need for his action to create the check to resolve it.&nbsp; Needing an action was one of the things that kept cropping up in this thread.Reposting the relevant information about passive checks that I already posted didn't change what I said.&nbsp; I said passive checks are made when the DM doesn't want the player to know, which is the relevant part to why a DM uses those checks for insight.&nbsp; The rest just leads to a red herring.I agree there needs to be something to start an active check.&nbsp; I don't agree that it needs to be specifically applied by semantics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7789484, member: 6750235"] Using insight isn't just a game mechanic. I can say, in the real world, "I used my vast insight to debate this argument". The verb and the noun are applied correctly outside of a mechanical sense. Whether it is a mechanical sense or not, the action still hasn't changed. Therefore, it's a pointless requirement. That last line means no specific action is required for a passive check to take place. That's because a player doesn't know he needs to take an action. If he doesn't know it he doesn't take it, and if he doesn't take it but the check is still made there was clearly no need for his action to create the check to resolve it. Needing an action was one of the things that kept cropping up in this thread. Reposting the relevant information about passive checks that I already posted didn't change what I said. I said passive checks are made when the DM doesn't want the player to know, which is the relevant part to why a DM uses those checks for insight. The rest just leads to a red herring. I agree there needs to be something to start an active check. I don't agree that it needs to be specifically applied by semantics. [/QUOTE]

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